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We knew that W was going to be in the Northeast Ohio area yesterday but I didn't know till Friday evening that he would be rolling through our town. It is the first time I have gotten close to a presidential motorcade. They were obviously planning on having him stop because the buildings all had look-out and snipers posted on them.
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At one point my wife noticed a bunch of secret service looking types in front of the local tourist icon, the Popcorn Shop and we figured he might be going in there seeing as the mayor and the high school pricipal were waiting there as well.
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There were literally thousands of people on the streets waiting for W to show up. At one point, a couple of military helicoptors started circling the skys and first highway patrol cars, black suburbans and the 4 big busses.
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He jumped out, got an ice cream and then took off. Very few people actually got to see him but then I can't believe that so many thousands of unregulated people were allowed to get so close to him. It was a neat experience but a bit unsettling. I just can't help being concerned about a nut case in the crowd anymore.
 

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WoW...that had to be a neat experience...I hear you when you see him mingling with the crowds....but if he didn't then everyone would be saying he was aloof and out of touch.:D
 

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Back in July my wife and my self went to Branson Missouri and on the way back.W was making a stop in Springfield Missouri.We were right there and could have stoped off to see him.But we just looked at each other and said.No we would not walk across the street to see the Son of a Bush.I did see Nixon at the Illinois state fair several years ago.They had the roof tops filled with look outs then also.As Tricky Dick went past in a open car.Another one of those Republicans that so many voted for and thought was a great guy.Shortly after that he was relected and before long all hell broke loose.I remember seeing Spirrow Agnew vice president at the Farm Progess show shortly after that also.He went down the drain before Tricky Dick.

Will history repeat it self and after November win or loose.The Vice President get his self in hot water over the Halliburton crooked business.Then W get his self in the mess for being right there and also for possible war crimes?Thats my prediction.Funny how history repeats its self.Totally different crooked business between the two presidents.But the Bush scandal should be bigger.They just want to wait until after the election for it to unfold.Now im not saying I agree with all of it.Well maybe I do.But I would sure bet there will be trouble brewing after November win or loose.
 

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Spin- Spin- Spin.... I have thought a lot about this one and decided to not vote this time.

I will not vote until I see a candidate that wants a balanced budget.

A Fiscal conservative not a spending fool either one of them.

It is a shame that we can put a man on the moon, but can not find anyone better to run than these clowns.
 

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I don't get you guys at all. I want the budget balanced as much as the next person, but we are at in a war here. At home and abroad. I say at home because we need to protect the homeland. And it takes lots of money right now to make sure of protecting us. Sometimes you have to do what's right and not go by the book. I say we get everything we need in this war and when we get everything under control then we chip away at the budget. The budget is the least of my worries now. Yes, it is important , but put it in its place which is after the war, then the budget.
 

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Originally posted by Ed_GT5000
Spin- Spin- Spin.... I have thought a lot about this one and decided to not vote this time.

I will not vote until I see a candidate that wants a balanced budget.

A Fiscal conservative not a spending fool either one of them.

It is a shame that we can put a man on the moon, but can not find anyone better to run than these clowns.
Ed, VERY VERY unfortunately, it IS your right not to vote.

If it were up to me and in my power; anyone who did not vote for two elections in a row (unless it was for medical or other similar reasons) would have their right to vote stripped from them for life.

In Switzerland, this is already the law only they allow 3 missed votes.

Those who refuse to vote except under the most divided of circumstances do the nation a terrible dis-service by causing radial pendulum swings in the electoral process.

Most importantly.........our precious vote at the ballot box is what keeps us from voting with the cartridge box like happens in so many 3rd world countries.

If you don't vote, you have NO reason to bitch about how things are being run.
 

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I think as long as your a tax payer you have the right to bitch even if you do not vote?Either way who ever wins I will be bitching about high taxes.It is mostly a state problem.But I can not think of a politicion I like or trust anyway.
 

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Next question is:

Do you have the right to bitch about the one you voted for after he/she wins and makes a mess of things? :)

Mark
 

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Originally posted by johndeere
I think as long as your a tax payer you have the right to bitch even if you do not vote?Either way who ever wins I will be bitching about high taxes.It is mostly a state problem.But I can not think of a politicion I like or trust anyway.

johndeere,

Illegal aliens, convicted felons, non-citizen immigrants pays taxes. Are you saying they should be able to vote as well as bitch about the results
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If you don't vote, you have NO reason to bitch about how things are being run.


Yes, now you have it! I don't look for things to bxxxh about in my life and until I see someone I like, I will not vote for phony people I can't stand. I still vote on the local stuff, where your vote has more power.



I don't get you guys at all. I want the budget balanced as much as the next person, but we are at in a war here. At home and abroad. I say at home because we need to protect the homeland.
Well, I agree with you if you are talking about the Afghan war (remember that one?) but if you are talking about Saddam, You are wrong. I never bought any of those lies for going in there and Kerry has no plan to get us out either.

So either one of these guys-- it makes no difference. In 6 years (mark my words) we will be pulling out just like nam. The war in Iraq (not Afghanistan) is unpopular and will only get worse as more Americans Die and more billions of tax payer money is spent on it.



OH! On a side note, How do you guys feel about all this federal money going to Florida (a state with no income tax) for hurricane damage that happens every year. If those people don't like the weather down there they should not move there in the first place. Yes, most folks that live on the coast are transplants from other states. They move there knowing the risks.
I was shocked to hear Bush promise disaster aid even before this last one hit and there is another one on the way!

These politicians spend your money like water!
 

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OH! On a side note, How do you guys feel about all this federal money going to Florida (a state with no income tax) for hurricane damage that happens every year. If those people don't like the weather down there they should not move there in the first place. Yes, most folks that live on the coast are transplants from other states. They move there knowing the risks.
I agree with you 10,000% on this point Ed. It amazes me that people opt to live in "trailer trash parks" which have nearly no ability to withstand a storm of much if any strength and expect the rest of us to subsidize their losses. I am truely sorry for their losses and suffering but just like living in a flood plain; if you don't like the floods or other associated risks, then don't live there or expect to pay your own way when disaster inevitivablely strikes. No place on earth is free from weather related risks but in this case; hurricanes are a seasonable and annual event which effects the entire region.
 

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Originally posted by Chief
I agree with you 10,000% on this point Ed. It amazes me that people opt to live in "trailer trash parks" which have nearly no ability to withstand a storm of much if any strength and expect the rest of us to subsidize their losses. I am truely sorry for their losses and suffering but just like living in a flood plain; if you don't like the floods or other associated risks, then don't live there or expect to pay your own way when disaster inevitivablely strikes. No place on earth is free from weather related risks but in this case; hurricanes are a seasonable and annual event which effects the entire region.
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I have to disagree on this i live in La. last year we got hit by two a week apart. Hurricane damage goes a long way not just the state it hits. Chief yall will get alot of rain from this may even cause flooding there. There is no place to go to get away from the weather. I don't live on the coast but when Andrew came though in 1992 it did alot of damage here in Baton Rouge. If it isn't hurricanes its flooding or tornadoes somewhere in the U.S. So yes they can move but where is there to move that don't have weather problems. Nowhere that where so you have to deal with it the best you can.
 

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Maybe its because W wants to take care of brother Jeb?After all W owes him a lot for his help in the last election.Along with all the senior citizens that get confused on election day?Maybe mother nature is getting even with Florida?I for one would not give a cent to a Florida disaster relief fund.Just like I do not give to any other fund raiser to line the pockets of a crooked politician.

Illegal aliens, convicted felons, non-citizen immigrants pays taxes? Are you saying they should be able to vote as well as bitch about the results.

I do not know any that vote?Around here there are trailer trash.There not voters or tax payers.

There is one good thing about Bush however.Low interest rates and great deals on new cars and just about everything else.Because thats the only way anything moves these days.People are so afraid of the future with him in office.They stoped buying.So car dealers and other businesses are starving for a sale and there are great deals to cash in on.If I thought that would stop with Bush I would say sure lets put up with him for 4 more years.Might as well get good deals as he sells are country out.Only problem is the boom in housing.Homes going up all over the place.After awhile you realise they can not all be Doctors and Lawyers and Politians?No way will these homes be paid for.Because the owners many many of them are living for today and not tommorow.When there jobs get shipped to China then what will be done with all these vacant homes?Low interst rates are good if you still have a job.
 

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Ya know Johndeere, I always heard about how the presidency was such an exalted position and how much we should respect it and the man in it. Then Clinton got elected and if he had walked up to me to shake hands I would have turned and walked away. I couldn't care less how much he got his knob polished but he is a snake in every way imaginable.
And the rebates? I guess these are a new Bush phenomenon. That must have been something else I've been seeing on cars and trucks since 1980 or so.
 

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Doesn't the federal government still subsidize farming? Aren't some farmers still paid not to grow crops? I wonder if the rest of the US citizens agree with spending tax dollars on these plans?
You realize that as "United" States we all must give and take. It will never be equal amounts to everyplace but "United" we stand remember? So if some of my tax dollars go to a struggling farmer, good! If some of my tax dollars go to victims of a storm, good! If some of my tax dollars go to the victims of wildfires, good! If some of their tax dollars protect me from terrorism, good! Life in these United States is a two way street!
 

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My Mom and Pop are some of that Florida "trailer trash". They just rode out Frances in their "trailer" that's only worth about $200,000. Don't let my Mom hear you calling it a trailer! LOL They do happen to have all the necessary insurance coverage so that they won't be a drain on society if their home gets damaged. Personally, I don't think I would live in a mobile home in Florida but if one is willing to pay the big insurance premiums that come along with it then more power to 'em. I did hear during one of the Frances coverage shows on TV that with the new codes on mobile home construction and installation since Andrew that many mobile homes are now more sturdy than stick built homes.
 

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Perhaps I should not let my experiences with the local trailer dwelling folks color my perceptions with a broad brush. My "trailer trash park" comment was directed most toward the well known results of trailers and bad weather. Any house will come apart with severe enough weather. Seems like the trailers are destroyed with the least amount. Living close to or on the ocean or gulf coast is a well known risk and the housing built there should be required to be built to withstand a reasonable amount of bad weather. I realize that at some point, nothing can withstand the force of a strong hurricane or tornado. I think that the best and most precautions possible should be taken to ensure the structural soundness of dwellings in extreme high risk area's. I live near an earthquake fault that has not been majorly active in over 100 years, but I carry earthquake insurance.

sixchows, with respect to paying farmer not to grow crops; name one :question: :question: :question: There are a host of programs the USDA pays out to farmers such as CRP, CREP, milk, corn, soy bean, tobacco, and other price supports, and other wildlife conservation programs. They have costs and benefits to the farmers and the rest of us. One of the first benefits to us is that it keeps the farmers in business and able to grow and sell food crops at prices we can all afford. Milk would be at around $7 a gallon and beef at about quadruple the cost it is now, not to mention other food crops. The farmers could sell their farm land to developers and agribusiness such as Delmonte or ADM and make some good money. Can't grow food on asphalt and the agribusinesses would soon be like the oil companies.

I am all for passing the hat and making donations and my tax dollars going to folks who are the victims of unfortunate circumstances. Heck, any one of us could be in that situation. At a certain point I draw the line with folks who knowingly and willfully put themselves in harms way. It is a free country and they are free to do it but I am dead set against my tax dollars subsidizing it. I am sure after this round of destruction, the insurance companies will adjust their premiums and or pull out of the state and the party will come to a screeching halt.
 

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I am amazed that I have to agree with johndeere on someting here -- johndeere; but it is not just federal subsidies[ repayment for Jeb helping to steal the ;last election ] , it is higher insurance premiums for everyone else everywhere, due to " higher losses" and we pay more money for plywood and 2x4's due to not only rebuilding the places, but plywood and osb over windows before the wind hits -- we do subsidize florida to a very large degree -- and we don't even get any of the downed trees to grind into mulch and osb boards-- bigl22
 

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So what am I missing? If that 100yr old fault line starts acting up , do you plan on moving? Or will you sit there like those in Florida and think OK this one wasn't so bad?
Doesn't federal disaster relief have " costs and benefits" to us all? Aside from keeping the cost of food at an affordable rate, why should the govt subsidize anyone's business? You can't take with one hand and not give with the other. The USDA doesn't have their own source of income do they? Aren't they using our tax dollars? You say without subsidies milk would $7/gal. OK, so without relief dollars after a disaster, what would the cost be to leave everyone homeless?
 
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