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A press conference that is badly needed!!

This is lengthy but is an excellent summary of facts many are attempting to overlook and/or ignore. Has strong language; but in the world of today, it is not uncommon and needs to be said! The road goes ever on and on, down from the liberal sinkhole where it began.

United States - Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge on Tuesday defended the decision to tighten security in New York and Washington even though the intelligence behind the latest terror warnings was as much as four years old.

So I was having a conversation with a friend the other night, and I mentioned how much I like Cheney and Rumsfeld, mostly because they just don't take a lot of crap from reporters. Once, just once , I'd love to see a press conference that went something like this:

Press: "Mr. Ridge, how do you respond to charges that this security alert is really
a scare tactic being used for political purposes by the Bush administration?"

Ridge: "Christ almighty, what is it with you people? You've spent a couple of years
asking why we didn't prevent 9/11, calling for an investigation, asking 'how much
did Bush know and when did he know it?' You blamed us for something we failed to
prevent after eight months in office, and yet to this day you give the Clinton admin
a free pass, even though he had eight years -- eight f**king years, people -- to do
something about al Qaeda and he didn't do one damned thing.

"You finally get your investigation, the results of which confirm most of what we'd
been saying all along, but you don't want to hear that any more than you wanted to
hear about the fact that one of the Democrat commissioners, Jamie Gorelick, was
responsible for the so-called "wall of separation" prohibiting information-sharing
between the FBI and CIA, which nearly everyone now acknowledges was one of the
biggest problems preventing any effective defense against terrorist networks. You
do deign to acknowledge that problem, but the part you originally claimed to be most
interested in -- who was responsible -- is suddenly not so interesting anymore, the
moment you realized you couldn't reasonably blame us for it.

"You insist that Condi Rice and President Bush must testify publicly to the com-
mission (even though Condi had already testified once), but it doesn't seem to
bother you when Clinton gets to testify behind closed doors. You laud Richard
Clarke's and Joe Wilson's credibility, but when it's clearly shown that they're
liars you don't seem to want to bring it up anymore.You hint at all sorts of
sinister skullduggery on our part, but when Sandy Berger openly admits to steal-
ing classified documents for God only knows what reason, you couldn't care less.

"Meanwhile, al Qaeda continues to plot and scheme, and we all know that these
major attacks aren't something that Osama and a few others cobble together
over tea and crumpets on Wednesday afternoon and then perpetrate the follow-
ing Friday, after lunch. We go to no little trouble to get what information we
have out there in hopes that people will be more alert and perhaps be of some
help in their own defense, and also in hopes that al Qaeda will know we're
awake to the threat and will possibly cancel out. And damned if you people
don't find some way to bitch about that .

"You piss and moan about everything we've done to deal with the threat --
and when you're not complaining about how little we're doing about it, you're
complaining that we're either doing too much, doing the wrong things, or
even worse, you try to claim that there isn't a threat in the first place.

"We go after al Qaeda and its sponsoring government in Afghanistan -- and
you complain about it. We identify an emerging threat in Saddam's Iraq --
and everybody but you Einsteins and those who still swallow your thin gruel
whole knows he was a threat not only to us but to his neighbors in the Middle
East; hell, he'd only been shooting at our pilots for ten f**king years, which
is apparently not enough to qualify as a threat for you security experts --
and you take time out from the last several years' worth of bitching about
how awful the sanctions against him are (sanctions which were on the way to
collapsing completely, by the way) to complain about the fact that we act-
ually had the temerity to not just identify the threat, but do something
about it.

"You still insist that a Democrat, any Democrat, would do a better job of
defending the country than we have, but in the meantime there have been
no -- repeat, no, zip, zero, nada -- successful attacks on US soil since
9/11, and we both know that ain't because of the fine job Clinton did in
scaring them off, or because John Kerry spent four months in Vietnam on
his way to a career as a professional political nonentity. We free 50 million
--that's 50 with six zeros behind it for you economics-beat reporters --
oppressed Muslims and you guys don't notice anything but a handful of pri-
soners with panties on their heads and a boat-load of illegal combatants in
Gitmo getting fat and sloppy from their 'inhuman' bondage.

"You care about the Geneva Conventions -- irrelevant in this war because our
opponents have certainly neither signed on to it nor abided by it -- only when
you think you might be able to use it to help pour another bucket of shame
and contrition over American heads. You care about freedom and liberty and
democracy only when you're whining about "stifling of dissent" here at home
-- even in the middle of dissenting at the top of your lungs with no reper-
cussions beyond the ridicule of the still-sane -- and not about the fact that
90% of eligible Afghans are now registered to vote. You worry about civilian
casualties in the war, but not so much that you can't find a way to hint now
and then that maybe three thousand office workers in the WTC might've had
it coming in some small way because Reagan thought the Sandinistas sucked.
You paint us as the enemy, when most Americans know we've got enemies
aplenty without having to waste time fooling around with nut-job Art Bell-like
conspiracy theories to find them here at home.

"You show endless repeats of that panty-on-the-head video because it's awful
and Americans have a right to know the whole truth, but atrocities committed
by our enemies are carefully hidden away. Hell, you won't even show footage
of 9/11 anymore because Americans might actually remember it and wonder who
the hell's side you're on in the first place. CRAP, you people don't even have
the cahones to show videos of Islamist whackjob imams calling for our destruc-
tion at wholesale rates in mosques all over the world. But if Falwell offered
Muslims the choice between conversion or violent death you'd be all over it
with both feet -- and you'd blame Bush for the fact that Falwell was nuts.

"You complain about divisiveness and uncivil discourse, but Bush is a Nazi and
all Republicans are extremist right-wing religious maniacs. You call Dick Cheney
Bush's "hitman" but Howard Dean is just a reasonable Democrat floating in-
teresting ideas about terror alerts. Israelis are genocidal monsters for build-
ing a security fence to keep murderers from their midst, but the Palestinian
killers they're trying to thwart are 'militants.' Terrorists in Iraq trying to
kill not only our servicemen and women but any civilians they can get within
machete's reach of are 'gunmen' or 'extremists' -- when a handful of you
aren't gushing outright about how they're no different from George Wash-
ington, who owned slaves, let's never forget that, the dirty terrorist.

"Wonder how awful you people would think it was if any Al Jazeera reporters
"destroyed their credibility and objectivity" by wearing little pins identifying
them as jihad supporters in their lapels? I bet it wouldn't bother you nearly
as much as Fox News reporters' wearing American flags in theirs seems to.

"You bitch about how horrible and irresponsible SUVs are and yet, you drive
them yourselves. You complain that Bush misled the entire world, and applaud
the "importance" of a movie that is nothing but a steaming, stinking pile of
innuendo-laden propaganda. Politicians who have money are "oligarchs," unless
of course they're Democrats. Campaign finance reform is a wonderful thing,
until it works against Democrats. American gun owners are talked about as if
they were terrorists, and terrorists are talked about as if they were simply
misunderstood children. And the only time you even use the word "terrorist"
at all anymore is when they're attacking the hotel in Baghdad where you all
cower and file reports from.

"You decry the importance of cheap oil to the world's economy and complain
about what a terrible thing higher gas prices were earlier this year -- and
it's all Bush's fault again, of course. You talk about how vital it is to have
France's support in the WTO when France said in no uncertain terms that
they would never, ever support enforcing the UN's own resolutions against
Saddam. You talk about our "unilateralism" when we went to Iraq with the
support of nearly 40 countries, and you lament the "rush to war" when we
spent more than a year at the UN begging for them to make themselves
useful for once.

"You bitch about how awful corporate corruption is, and can't be bothered
with reporting on a UN oil-for-bribes scandal that makes the gang at Enron
look like a bunch of half-assed pikers, like kids toilet-papering a suburban
lawn on Halloween. You talk about how the Bush admin calls its opponents
"unAmerican" -- not bothering at all with the fact that we've never actually
done it -- but when your choice for future first lady does precisely that,
you get pissed off because an actual journalist has the audacity to ask her
for a clarification.

"Al Gore tried his damnedest to steal the election in 2000 and failed, and
you guys still claim that Bush not only tried to, but did. Gore failed because
the Supreme Court finally stepped in to put a halt to Gore's shenanigans,
and you guys lament a supposed "activism" on the part of the Supremes that
you've spent the last thirty years applauding.

"You complain that Bush has no 'exit strategy' in Iraq, no plan for 'winning
the peace' -- as if any plan ever survives first contact with the enemy, as
any first-year West Point cadet knows. But you don't go after Kerry when he
refuses to talk about his "secret plan" to get us out of there - a Nixonian
subterfuge if there ever was one, and we all remember how much you guys
liked him . You take the word of insane dictators on simple blind faith, but
if Bush mentions that he took a dump this morning after two cups of coffee
you'll claim he's lying and call for an investigation.

"You people are, frankly, full of crap. It's damned if we do and damned if we
don't with you hayseeds, and I'm beginning to wonder why we even bother at
all. No wonder nobody but yourselves and those pitiful few poor saps you still
manage to fool pays much attention to you anymore. It's too damned bad it's
come to this, but it's your own damned fault.

"No more questions. Shove it."
 

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Ernieg,

What's amusing is the stuff you can find on the Internet to cut and paste !!

It's also very amusing to think of a politician that would talk publicly using regular 'ol language. Id love to be able to ask a politician..."What he f*ck were you thinking, voting yes on that piece of $hit law??"

What a kick in the butt that would be...

:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
 

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Democracy is built on a free press - which to do it's job needs to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. (Stolen from H.L. Mencken)

So, by definition, they need to question and harass those in power, not cheerlead for them. Regardless of what the individuals think personally.

I'd like to think that the 'leaders of the free world' are smart enough not to expect the press to act as their cheerleaders.

And Arch, I think you're confusing supporting your country with supporting your incumbent President and his Administration. There are many times, (think Vietnam, think McCarthy, think Nixon, think Clinton-Lewinsky) when you can be most supportive of your country by opposing the actions of your current President.
 

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Originally posted by balmoralboy
Democracy is built on a free press - which to do it's job needs to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. (Stolen from H.L. Mencken)

So, by definition, they need to question and harass those in power, not cheerlead for them. Regardless of what the individuals think personally.

I'd like to think that the 'leaders of the free world' are smart enough not to expect the press to act as their cheerleaders.

And Arch, I think you're confusing supporting your country with supporting your incumbent President and his Administration. There are many times, (think Vietnam, think McCarthy, think Nixon, think Clinton-Lewinsky) when you can be most supportive of your country by opposing the actions of your current President.
Please!!
Before you lecture me have the decency to attempt to understand my background/experience. It is readily available to those that take the time to find out!!!

Dean
 

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Thats right! Jim, how you dare you post anything without fully researching his background/experience....:dazed:

When you do, you will think twice before posting anything like a dissenting opinion... :naah:

You'll eventually get called names... :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
 

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Originally posted by Archdean
Please!!
Before you lecture me have the decency to attempt to understand my background/experience. It is readily available to those that take the time to find out!!!

Dean
I really didn't understand your point, Dean! Your post suggests that you think the press should be cheering your government's every action, including the partisan actions. I pointed out a different line of thought. You reacted (quoted above) as though I had made a personal attack on you and somehow slighted your background and experience.

Well, I might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb!

I didn't google you, but from your profile you are a retired zoomie with a boat, a Kubota and a FEL.

So, not to be insulting, but this means you have the gear to pile it higher and deeper, or what?
 

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My Friend if you think you have a free unbiased press you need to put down your bong!

I have no argument with you but read your assertions and then either adjust your rhetoric or preach to a sympathetic choir!

Calling me a "zoomie" pretty much tells me all that I need to know about you even though I'm sure you have much more to offer than that!

Dean
 

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Dean,

Ya know, if you get a little tolerance of others and other points of view you might find more friends here. With just a few over 50 posts, you sure have started out like a big fart! :sick: :sick: :sick:

You don't have to turn every thread you post on into a "gun fight".:naah: :naah: :naah:
 

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originally posted by balmoralboy

Your post suggests that you think the press should be cheering your government's every action, including the partisan actions.

I didn’t think Dean said that at all.

It looks like he’s saying no matter what is said or done by this Republican
administration, the press puts a negative slant on it.
His other point was the press virtually ignoring negative issues related to
Democrats, like the build up of al Qaeda, the oil for food program and
Jamie Gorelick’s “wall of separation”.

You are clearly showing your bias against the president and anybody
supporting him by concluding anything short of a 100% bash Bush press
is expecting the press to act like cheerleaders. You also, like the bias press,
chose to ignore the part about the media not pressing issues like the build up of
al Qaeda, the oil for food program and Jamie Gorelick’s “wall of separation”.

Greg… Dismissing facts as right wing propaganda doesn’t change the facts.
When was the last time you heard the media press Kerry for facts on:
How he intends to convince the French and Germans to help in Iraq ?
(Besides talking with them)
How he intends to deal with creating jobs at a faster pace than Bush ?
(Besides eliminating corporate tax cuts in the Cayman Islands)
How he intends to do more than Bush is doing with Nation Security ?
(Besides ???)
How he intends to give EVERYBODY the same med-care as senators ?
(Besides taxing the top 1%, won’t even come close to paying for it)
How he intends to address Social Security’s $$$ shortfalls ?
(Besides ???)
How he intends to address Medicare’s $$$ shortfalls ???
(Besides ???)

I watched a lot of the DNC, and all I heard was Bush bashing and 30 year
old Vietnam stories. It’s clear you guys don’t like GW, I’m ok with that
because you say it, but the media has no business supporting or BASHING
anybody.

Michael once asked that this partisan BS be put to bed and to spend some
time on important issues. Can anyone tell me anything about Kerry’s
position on the issues I’ve listed ? I’m serious, this guy has been running
for president for almost a year and I’ve never heard him address those points
with any substance. I’d like to know more than some moronic statement
like “anybody being better than Bush.”
 

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Originally posted by Greg
Dean,

Ya know, if you get a little tolerance of others and other points of view you might find more friends here. With just a few over 50 posts, you sure have started out like a big fart! :sick: :sick: :sick:

You don't have to turn every thread you post on into a "gun fight".:naah: :naah: :naah:
I just spent a considerable amount of time reading all of your 712 post's, not a bad tone to many of them, must admit I was pleasantly surprised ...
However your tone changed drastically when I joined this forum and my miserely 54 post does not automatically make one a neo-phyte in anything other than a date joined which I felt would be a site worthy of sharing views!! Not realizing that you kept a score card as # of post's is equated to intelligence and importance!

If you would be so kind as to evaluate what it is that you feel compelled to interject your dislike for my participation into conversations that are not addressed to you nor concerns you.
I would appreciate and hope to count on you to refrain your comments to the ones that I address specifically to you!

This would all end nicely if you would just quit with the nonsense, it really makes you look stupid and juvinile...
It ends here with me. I wish you the very best.
Sincerely,
Dean
 

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aegt5k,

Dean can post all the ultra right wing John Birch cut and pastes he wants..I could care less. The problem is when another member disagrees, he gets this "holy than thou" attitude, goes off and starts a pissing match. We don't need that. A little tolerance and sense of humor will keep the forum interesting and fun.

I would like to hear what both Kerry AND Bush really plan on doing regarding jobs, economy, immigration, getting us out of Iraq, getting OBL (and then what we do about Afghanistan) and lots of other challenges we face. If we didn't have all the "look what he did...no he didn't bull**** 527 ads. And if the media would get off their butts and ask the tough questions, demand the real answers, rather just than ramming the latest "shocking developments" in the Peterson, Bryant, Oneill and other scum cases down our throats.

I will be watching the debates carefully (Kerry as asked for weekly, but no word from Dubya that I have heard of).
 

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Dean.

Sorry, Your Highness does not make the posting rules here, .........Andy does.

NANA NANA NANA NANA NANA
 

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Originally posted by aegt5000
originally posted by balmoralboy

Your post suggests that you think the press should be cheering your government's every action, including the partisan actions.

I didn’t think Dean said that at all.

It looks like he’s saying no matter what is said or done by this Republican
administration, the press puts a negative slant on it.
His other point was the press virtually ignoring negative issues related to
Democrats, like the build up of al Qaeda, the oil for food program and
Jamie Gorelick’s “wall of separation”.

You are clearly showing your bias against the president and anybody
supporting him by concluding anything short of a 100% bash Bush press
is expecting the press to act like cheerleaders. You also, like the bias press,
chose to ignore the part about the media not pressing issues like the build up of
al Qaeda, the oil for food program and Jamie Gorelick’s “wall of separation”.

Greg… Dismissing facts as right wing propaganda doesn’t change the facts.
When was the last time you heard the media press Kerry for facts on:
How he intends to convince the French and Germans to help in Iraq ?
(Besides talking with them)
How he intends to deal with creating jobs at a faster pace than Bush ?
(Besides eliminating corporate tax cuts in the Cayman Islands)
How he intends to do more than Bush is doing with Nation Security ?
(Besides ???)
How he intends to give EVERYBODY the same med-care as senators ?
(Besides taxing the top 1%, won’t even come close to paying for it)
How he intends to address Social Security’s $$$ shortfalls ?
(Besides ???)
How he intends to address Medicare’s $$$ shortfalls ???
(Besides ???)

I watched a lot of the DNC, and all I heard was Bush bashing and 30 year
old Vietnam stories. It’s clear you guys don’t like GW, I’m ok with that
because you say it, but the media has no business supporting or BASHING
anybody.

Michael once asked that this partisan BS be put to bed and to spend some
time on important issues. Can anyone tell me anything about Kerry’s
position on the issues I’ve listed ? I’m serious, this guy has been running
for president for almost a year and I’ve never heard him address those points
with any substance. I’d like to know more than some moronic statement
like “anybody being better than Bush.”


One other question and this is stealing a Ronald Reagon question.

ARE YOU BETTER OFF TODAY THEN 4 YEARS AGO?

And to add fire to this in addition, How is it every time a Republican gets in the White House my job is threatened (3 times in the last 14 months I have received 60 day notices that I could be laid off) I have not yet been laid off but it always super close to it after 16 years at the same company.

Hint, hint after being totally disappointed by George (big daddy) I will never trust a Bush again and I voted 2 times for Reagon and once for a Bush and once for Dole. This election is going to turn out that I will end up with me voting to rid this country of Bush.
 

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Originally posted by Greg
Dean.

Sorry, Your Highness does not make the posting rules here, .........Andy does.

NANA NANA NANA NANA NANA
I will certainly abide by "Andy's" decision!
Apparently it's up to you Andy to be the grownup here and exercise your power bestowed upon you, I tried my very best to stop this nonsense to no avail!

Please read the preceding Post's in this thread as well as others that include my USRID before handing down your decision, BTW NO NANA NANA NANA NANA NANA'S here.

With Respect,
Dean
 

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Obviously, you didn't get it....

"I would appreciate and hope to count on you to refrain your comments to the ones that I address specifically to you!"

Sheeesh....
 

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Originally posted by Greg
Obviously, you didn't get it....

"I would appreciate and hope to count on you to refrain your comments to the ones that I address specifically to you!"

Sheeesh....
You Sir are the one having trouble getting it!!!
That post was in direct response and quoted to you...
What does it take for you to stop your massive display of ignorance?
Please take a break and try again tomorrow!! What do you say ? We have had our fun let's enjoy each other and our lifetime of collective knowledge that may just benefit the other. Or we can continue to provide entertainment to the forum and your record is not looking all that promising!!!

A very friendly and sincere ,
Dean
 
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