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Our Air force in Action!!

As a pilot with over 13000 flight hours Military and Civilian My first love is of course Aviation and thought some of you might grasp an insight to a world that very few will ever get to see!!
A side note that might be worthy of note, at one time in my career I had the honor to function as a FAC in an 01E (BirdDog) My Present Airplane Is the civilian equivalent and can be seen here :170B (BirdDog)

Our Air Force Brethren at their best -- Go Air Force. This is a video from a
F16 doing CAS during the recent fighting in Fallujah. We have been bombing
insurgent "safe houses" with some success recently. This F16 was on such a
mission, to hit a building with an LGB.

After the weapon had been launched 30+ insurgents left the building en masse
to hurry to a nearby engagement with US Marines. The fighting had been
going on for hours.

The pilot communicates with the FAC either in the air or on the ground, and
changes the flight path of the bomb while it is en route the target.

You can clearly see the "L" flashing in the MFD, and TGP is selected
The high pitched "Darth Vader" sounds you hear are the pilot breathing. It
is the pilot who says "I got numerous individuals on the road, do you want
me to take those out?" The FAC says "Take em out!" By the way I love it
when the FAC says "Oh, Dude!" at the end of the video chip.

Now I must put this in focus for you so you can get a glimpse into the
complexities of the modern battlefield and the flexibilities of the modern
U.S. war fighter.

You have a super-sonic high performance aircraft being driven by a single
pilot who, under the tactical control of a FAC, launches a precision guided
munitions (PGM) at a designated structure (building). The pilot uses the
aircraft's laser guidance video display to guide the weapon to the target
(precision). Remember, he is also flying the aircraft. The pilot sees the
video on his heads-up display and notices a bunch of combatants leaving the
targeted building, turning the corner and heading down the street towards an
active firefight. The pilot advises the FAC of the change in the status of
the target requesting to target the combatants en route to the fire fight
rather than hitting an empty building. Permission is granted and death and
destruction rain down.

http://www.greencis.net/~custer/bomb.wmv>F16 in Fallujah!!
 

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Hang in there I'll get it to work!
 

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Is there any tail numbers on the aircraft or is it not seen.......any other designations on the F16 that you can tell or any pilot call signs given? Thats where the last unit I was with is at now. They are stationed in UAE or thereabouts and flying in support of Iraqi missions and was told they were participating in a heavy CAS / AG role in support of Fallujah....
 

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Originally posted by Chipmaker
Is there any tail numbers on the aircraft or is it not seen.......any other designations on the F16 that you can tell or any pilot call signs given? Thats where the last unit I was with is at now. They are stationed in UAE or thereabouts and flying in support of Iraqi missions and was told they were participating in a heavy CAS / AG role in support of Fallujah....
Thanks for the interest Chip!

It is a locked vid and I will get the necessary permission to unlock it so you can see it!!
 

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Originally posted by Archdean
Thanks for the interest Chip!

It is a locked vid and I will get the necessary permission to unlock it so you can see it!!
I can forward it to a valid e-mail addy=== Should you want to do it that way , reply with a blank to [email protected]

To clear your e-mail through the spam bucket please put I want the F-16 Vid in the subject line,,
Thanks,
Dean
 

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Re: Our Air force in Action!!

Originally posted by Archdean

A side note that might be worthy of note, at one time in my career I had the honor to function as a FAC in an 01E (BirdDog) My Present Airplane Is the civilian equivalent and can be seen here :170B (BirdDog)
http://www.greencis.net/~custer/bomb.wmv>F16 in Fallujah!!
Dean,

I like your choice of airplanes! One that I owned was the forerunner of the 170B... the 170A without the Birddog's barndoor flaps. I flew it for 10 years before I sold it to get the money for my medical fund.

Gwill
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Hey welcome back gwill hope everything went well.:thumbsup:
 

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Re: Re: Our Air force in Action!!

Originally posted by gwill
Dean,

I like your choice of airplanes! One that I owned was the forerunner of the 170B... the 170A without the Birddog's barndoor flaps. I flew it for 10 years before I sold it to get the money for my medical fund.

Gwill
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Hey George , how are you feeling and give us an update~ I am like a drowning "Beaver" here in the land of Wanna BE Smart A** Swamp Rats!!

I posted a thread asking about you, just so nice to see an intelligent friendly fellow member again!!

It's hard to beat the Ole 170 B especialy on EDO 2000 floats!! As you know it's not for the wanna bees!!
 

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Welcome back, hope all is going fine.......


Arch:
As much as I would love top see it, my comnputer proably will not allow me to run it. I have a Gateway that has a builtin soundcard that for the life of me I can;t get to work, and neither can Gateway........and its long past warranty. I could probably run it on my old gateway but its so slow and my download time is so long it would take forever, but its still worth a try if you want to send it, as long as it not something like 20 meg........or I never would get it downloaded.

I just have a feeling that if that is actually an F16 in Fallujah its more than likely someone I know flying in it.......an I know all theiri call signs even the newguys whom I barely know.
 

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Welcome back George! I sure hope all went well with your surgery and you are on the mend. Great to see you up and about as well as back posting again! :thumbsup: :cheers:
 

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Re: Re: Re: Our Air force in Action!!

Originally posted by Archdean
Hey George , how are you feeling and give us an update~ I am like a drowning "Beaver" here in the land of Wanna BE Smart A** Swamp Rats!!

I posted a thread asking about you, just so nice to see an intelligent friendly fellow member again!!

It's hard to beat the Ole 170 B especialy on EDO 2000 floats!! As you know it's not for the wanna bees!!
Things aren't going as well as I would like. I am and have been reading the lists, but my meds have me so shaky that I have difficulty typing... so I write very little. Even more distressing, I haven't been able to do anything in the shop or outside for nearly two months.

This too shall pass!

Gwill
 

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George just give me a Thumbsup as my dog does by "quote" and then I'll know your ok!!

<img src=http://www.greencis.net/~custer/thumbsupdog.gif>

Chip I sent it to your e-mail, if you still can't open the file let me know!!
 

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Re: Our Air force in Action!!

Originally posted by Archdean
My Present Airplane Is the civilian equivalent and can be seen here
<img src=http://www.greencis.net/~custer/myfriend.jpg>
WOW! That's a neat lookin' plane. Is that you on the pontoon?

Question(s): Can you "land" on land with pontoons on, or are you limited to water only? If so, how do you hangar it? I remember you said you live on Lake o' the Cherokees. Are you allowed to land on public lakes?

Thx!
Angel
 

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Originally posted by CatDaddy
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WOW! That's a neat lookin' plane. Is that you on the pontoon?

Question(s): Can you "land" on land with pontoons on, or are you limited to water only? If so, how do you hangar it? I remember you said you live on Lake o' the Cherokees. Are you allowed to land on public lakes?

Thx!
Angel
Yep thats (Clem) me!!

You can land on wet grass but you will pay hell getting airbourne again!!

Next to my boat in a sheltered dock with a Lift that keeps it out of the water when I choose!!

Depends on the lake, I own waterfront to one of 5 lakes that are not controlled by the Corps Of Engineers in the US!!
 

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Next to my boat in a sheltered dock with a Lift that keeps it out of the water when I choose!!
How do you lift a plane: winch, hoist, cradle?
Where's the 'safe' point: under the fuselage, over the wings, what?
I know they're not that fragile, but how does the lifting stress get distributed ?through/across/over? the airframe?

-=A=-
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Air force in Action!!

Originally posted by CatDaddy
How do you lift a plane: winch, hoist, cradle?
Where's the 'safe' point: under the fuselage, over the wings, what?
I know they're not that fragile, but how does the lifting stress get distributed ?through/across/over? the airframe?

-=A=-
This will give you the idea although I use a standard boat floater system consisting of two pontoons with a cradle to support the floats on the A/C and when filled with air from a dock compressor unit to displace the water in the pontoons when sunk below the surface of the water, which raises the A/C up out of the water in a stable attitude!!.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Air force in Action!!

Originally posted by CatDaddy
How do you lift a plane: winch, hoist, cradle?
Where's the 'safe' point: under the fuselage, over the wings, what?
I know they're not that fragile, but how does the lifting stress get distributed ?through/across/over? the airframe?

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Catdaddy,

I don't know about Dean's, but my 170A was outfitted with the floatplane option. That consisted of four permanent lifting eyes in the main spar center section, additional corrosion proofing for salt water, and an extended trim tab.

I've forgotten the number, but I think they were Edo 3500 retractible floats on the 180 that was a hangar mate for a while. It was used as a jump platform and the floats made an excellent launching platform for students. That plane bit the dust when it drug a wing on the ice and cartwheeled. (ferrying ice fishermen)

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That plane bit the dust when it drug a wing on the ice and cartwheeled. (ferrying ice fishermen)

Gwill
OUCH!

Well, since you're with us... I guess this's when the saying "Any landing you walk away from..." comes into play.
 

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Let's see if this works, I use a different system will get a pic later!!
 

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Not trying to pry into personal business, but what's the annual maintenance on an aircraft like that run? Is there a "standard" up-keep figure, or does it depend more on the number of hours of run-time?

It's what... a 50s-60s model? Or, is that one of those 'timeless' styles (kinda like an Airstream travel trailer)?
 
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