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Re: Should Quit while I was Ahead

Originally posted by John-in-Ga
Maybe I got it now.

Old Car

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You had it the first time john:smiles:
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The radiator says Punta Gorda, which is a city in Florida and also in the country of Belize.
Did a search and couldn't find any automobiles referenced.
Maybe the dealers back then put their names in front of the radiator?
 

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Look similar?? 1927 Ford roadster truck.

Note the radiator cap ornament.

<img src=http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=6601af47-45e7-24b5-6581-72904cac5c33&size=>

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While we are on 1920s Fords.....

Check out this 1923 Model T engine pic I took a couple weeks ago. Leolav could relate and probably offer some more insight.
Pretty darn impressive!

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And now a wooden wheel shot (hmmmmm.....wooden wheels for my hay wagon???? Naaah. Too expensive!) HAHAHA

<center><img src=http://www.tractorforum.com/1923Twheel.jpg></center>


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Many Thanks Fellows,

Sorry for the two extra attempts at getting the picture/question posted. I was trying out a new site to keep some pictures on to post on bulletin boards I visit. Was having trouble with it and forgot that my pop up stopper sometimes doesn’t allow me to open a link (even if it is mine) unless I use the control button. Actually, I don’t need an excuse to do dumb things but that is my story and I’m sticking to it.

As far as the identity of the car/truck, I, too, did a web search and found the town in Fla. Could be, Punta Gorda on the car/truck was something like modern day bumper stickers to promote a dealer are maybe the town itself ? As to make and model, it sure seemed to be bigger than the Fords in the links in memmurphy’s post. (Thanks for the links memmurphy). I tend to agree with Greg that it matches the picture of a 1927 Ford Roadster Pickup. Of course, I have been wrong before (linked to the original picture three times didn’t I).

Now if I can identify the man in the picture. Since he was on my side of the family, my wife says I should look for law enforcement web sites that might help identify old pictures of potentially notorious outlaws??? Or maybe sites with some old pictures of some known chicken thieves or small time bootleggers from ‘20s and ‘30s that operated in the South Georgia Area ? I think/hope she was joking. Now if was her side of the family…………

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admin, those are impressive pictures. Wide too.

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Hey Andy:

Cool pics. Sure brings back alot of headaches. Our Model T was a real pain in the butt to redo that engine.

Not many people realize that the wooden spokes are on their one by one. If you get a flat tire, you take them off the existing rim and put them on the replacement rim one at a time. Kinda tedious on the side of the road.
Take a look at the spare on the back of my Model T. Notice, no wooden spokes.


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Here is a pic of one of our model A
engines:
<img src=http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=65ec3d2a-63ea-5e3b-3f38-5f7e25562c76&size=>

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Also, the truck looks like it is definitely a Ford from around mid to late 1920's. I will look into tonight at home.

As far as the radiator caps, they were interchangeable between brands in most cases so that isn't normally an indication of the brand.

What is a dead giveaway is the front axle and the light bar on the front.

As far as punta gorda, probably just where the guy is from. Their were no autos manufactured in Punta Gorda Florida in that time period. Also, Belize didn't get autos until the 1930's when Ford sold new models in South America for the first time.
 

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Found out it is a 1924 Model T Roadster. Not a pickup, but a coupe

The split windshield indicates it was a 1924. It could be used and opened to give more air to the driver. It also has wind wings that made the roadster able to be run withoiut blowing air on the driver ( the wind wings are the glass pieces right near the horn.

Anyways. That's what it is?

Here is a more modern pic of one.

<img src=http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=3ca63f40-58ef-4647-6486-355428a13eba&size=>

It is not a pickup, but a coupe!!! Also, the radiator cover is a motometer (radiator cap/thermometer)


Hope this helps.
 

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leolav,

You're expert, but what about the difference is the small lights on the side just below the windshield. The original pic and '27 Ford truck also has a split windshield. Why no bar between the headlights on the '24. It appears there are 2 rear openings in the top on the '24 but hard to tell on the original pic. The engine louvers on the original and '27 seem to be thinner and they run all the way up to the front.

Just a few observations.

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I have no idea what it is, but I don't remember the running board aprons being so long (Tall) on the Model A's. The Model A's did have the straight down aprons though, more so than the Model T's. Also the fenders indicate it would be later than 1924. The 1913 Oldsmobile had long aprons like the mystery picture. Looks like 18" tires also. Everything I see indicates a Oldsmobile in the teens.
 

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I believe they operate as a primitive high beam headlight.

As far as the two rear openings on the top, Ford made a variety of different accessory tops for their vehicle. Also, the picture above is certainly a reproduction so it may not be entirely accurate historically.

The engine louvers were often changed out as an upgrade after the fact due to decreased air flow with the narrow louvers. They are much rarer and are highly sought after. The light bar was original equipment in 1924, but their was accessory headlights that could be ordered that mounted to the side. This would enable the owner to install a stone guard accessory that would protect the radiator from debris that was kicked off the dirt roads and into the radiator.

The picture of my three A's have stone guards installed on them. They are the chrome pieces installed behind the light bar on those three.

The model T light bar fits very close to the radiator. Model A light bars have about 3/4" of space to allow for the stone guard to be installed.

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I have been talking with my dad (the true expert on Ford History) about these differences and these were in most part his observations as well. He is actually looking at buying the one in the pic in the previous post (actually looking to trade one of his Model A's)
 

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leolav,

I don't mean to question the expertise of someone who has done such an outstanding job of restoring a Model T as you have. Certainly don‘t want to doubt your Dad, but has he seen the two photographs?

I will accept the explanation you gave Greg as to the louvers and lights. They are things that could very easily have been changed. But there seems to be a curve to the bottom of the windshield on the ‘27 where as the one on the ‘24 appears straight. If that is as it appears are we not looking at two different models at the very least?

Could it be the machine in my old picture is a 1927 Ford Roadster Coupe? If it is a ‘27 isn’t it a Model A?

Merlin may be on the right track? Model T and A Fords seem smaller than the machine in my old picture. To me and Merlin at least. Of course, don’t think my picture goes quite as far back as he puts it.

The best thing to do would be to ask the man in the picture. But, alas, he has long since departed for parts unknown.

Respectfully,
John-in-Ga :cpu:
 

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Couple more observations:

The windshield on the '24 coupe appears to be split 1/3 top, 2/3 bottom. The mystery vehicle and the '27 truck seem to both be 1/2, 1/2.

The running board height/shape seem to be similar on the MV and the '27 truck compared to the '24 coupe.

If you look closely at the body line just under the right elbow of the man in the MV. It appears, at least to my old eyes, to be straight, not curved like the '24 coupe.

The door hinges on the MV and the '27 truck appear to be on the outside, while the ones on the '24 coupe appear to be on the inside.

Am I way off?

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The more I look at it, the more I'm convinced its an Oldsmobile. Someone in law enforcement. Siren on the fender and a red light sitting on the running board, pens in his pocket, nice suit. I think the name on the grille says Punta Gorda Police Dept..
 
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