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Owned same LS tractor for 5 years, never been back to dealer, parts available overnite, zero issues so far.

Buy one again in a New York minute.
Like the Kioti too.
 

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To the people who want real feedback on these lesser known brands or off brands, steer clear guys. Spend a little more on a better known name with a company that spends a ton on engineering, testing and quality control. All these things cost money and either you or the company is going to be the guinea pig. I prefer the company to be the guinea pig through rigorous engineering to design a tractor to hold up to years of hard use, a tractor that will start in cold weather, gaskets that will hold up with good rubber and not cheap dry rotted things that start leaking a few months later and so much more guys. Don't even bother with them. I've been there twice, yes I know, I'm gullible and fell for the slick Rick salesman BS.
Not sure what you consider off brand.
But I can tell you I've owned a Kioti DK 35 for 16 years now, (2040+ hours)
Its been a great tractor.
Never gives me any issues, never been back to the dealer.
Love it, still working like new.
 

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To the people who want real feedback on these lesser known brands or off brands, steer clear guys. Spend a little more on a better known name with a company that spends a ton on engineering, testing and quality control. All these things cost money and either you or the company is going to be the guinea pig. I prefer the company to be the guinea pig through rigorous engineering to design a tractor to hold up to years of hard use, a tractor that will start in cold weather, gaskets that will hold up with good rubber and not cheap dry rotted things that start leaking a few months later and so much more guys. Don't even bother with them. I've been there twice, yes I know, I'm gullible and fell for the slick Rick salesman BS.
What you say not totally true. I would assume one of the "better known names" might be John Deere. Research who makes their small (under 100 hp tractors. All of them are made by people such as Yanmar, Mahindra, Kukje (Branson), and the like. Those people do the engineering, testing and quality control as well. And they make their own "lesser known brands" (in the US, but not the rest of the world) in the same factories using the same people, engineering, testing and quality control, and the same quality of materials. John Deere as well as the other "American" tractor manufacturers have done a very good job at keeping that fact low key. The entire tractor industry is so inbred, crossbred, and convoluted that you usually have no idea who is really making your tractor.
 

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What you say not totally true. I would assume one of the "better known names" might be John Deere. Research who makes their small (under 100 hp tractors. All of them are made by people such as Yanmar, Mahindra, Kukje (Branson), and the like. Those people do the engineering, testing and quality control as well. And they make their own "lesser known brands" (in the US, but not the rest of the world) in the same factories using the same people, engineering, testing and quality control, and the same quality of materials. John Deere as well as the other "American" tractor manufacturers have done a very good job at keeping that fact low key. The entire tractor industry is so inbred, crossbred, and convoluted that you usually have no idea who is really making your tractor.
I can tell you that my small John Deere (40 HP made in 2004 by Yanmar) is somewhat a piece of crap in many regards such as the loader for instance. My small Kubota BX2200 Made by Kubota in Japan has been awesome in every regard. I don't think it's so much the brand, but the design above all else. I've been a huge fan of Toyota trucks, my first was a 1985 which was incredible, followed by a series of 3 1994s all of which have been bullet proof in every single regard. Recently, I bought a low mileage 1996 Tacoma that has been nothing like my previous Toyota truck experiences. Brake issues, front end issues, little things like the ash tray continuously sliding out, the steering wheel rattles and starting issues at times as well as s*itty gas mileage. I've read numerous complaints about the Tacoma including leaf spring failures, frame failures rust out issues and numerous recalls even recently on the Tacomas, compared to the 1990-1994 Toyota trucks which consumer reports gave top marks to all through the years they appeared in the publication. My point is that it matters not what the brand, but what period. Period! My 1996 Tacoma is eventually going to be traded off on a Subaru, my first ever. Based on what I've read and heard from others, Subaru is like what Toyota used to be.
 

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What you say not totally true. I would assume one of the "better known names" might be John Deere. Research who makes their small (under 100 hp tractors. All of them are made by people such as Yanmar, Mahindra, Kukje (Branson), and the like. Those people do the engineering, testing and quality control as well. And they make their own "lesser known brands" (in the US, but not the rest of the world) in the same factories using the same people, engineering, testing and quality control, and the same quality of materials. John Deere as well as the other "American" tractor manufacturers have done a very good job at keeping that fact low key. The entire tractor industry is so inbred, crossbred, and convoluted that you usually have no idea who is really making your tractor.
Not all tractors under 100 hp are made by someone else. JD makes some under 100 hp here in the USA. Kubota makes all their own parts and tractors. Nothing is made by another company when you buy Kubota's. I own 2 Kubota's and swear by them. I have another piece of equipment with a Kubota engine and that is also trouble free, worked hard and has about 5,000 hrs on it. What you're talking sounds more like the Slick Rick salesman BS. Every knock off dealer love to pick on JD too, because they're so well known and we see those JD's on every large farm. If there's a good company building a good tractor, they don't need to bash on other brands. They only need to point out the advantages and the quality of theirs to sell them, if they can, but I don't think they'd sell many. Just saying
 

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My point wasn't to knock John Deere. It was to point out that they aren't really that much different than the lesser known brands, and that the lesser known brands can be of comparable quality. Neither was my point to compare dealers. John Deere does have a strong dealer network, were as in this country, Branson or LS doesn't. Some of the less established brand dealers are indeed "Slick Ricks". But some, such as Daves Tractor in Red Bluff, California, are high quality dealers that in no way be considered even related to "Slick Rick". Kubota is indeed an excellent tractor, and does indeed make their own parts. I would never knock anyone for buying one. But then again, so Branson (Kukje) is also 100% made in their own house, nor would I criticize anyone for buying a Branson. Are they the same? No Kubota is a heavier class tractor and we aren't exactly comparing apples and apples. Are they in the same price range? No. When I was tractor shopping, a Kubota of equal horsepower and features cost 30% more than a Branson or LS. Are they all reliable? Yes. Do they have the same dealer support? Depends on where you buy it. Most compact tractor buyers only put 100 hrs a year on their tractor. Why would spend the extra money on a Kubota when a LS, Branson or Mahindra would work fine? Then again, if you put on 500 hours a year on your tractor, the Kubota would make a lot of sense. Furthermore, would they spend the extra money on a a compact JD when they are getting the same class of tractor for a lot more money?
My point is that blanket statements that suggests that entire class of non-major-brand tractors are crap and you are making a major mistake in buying one is bad advice for a lot of people.
 

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Not all tractors under 100 hp are made by someone else. JD makes some under 100 hp here in the USA.
Townline-Angus,
That depends on your definition of "made" here in the US.
The JD plant in Augusta, Ga 60 miles from me "assembles" some of the JD tractors. The units come to the plant in crates and are uncrated, have some sheet metal installed, wheels and some accessories installed but the tractor is not "made" in the US by my definition.

Just my .02 worth. :fineprint
 

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I have been following this thread and have finally decided to chime in. We live in a global economy today. The parts of the products we purchase are made all over the world. There is no one factory that makes every part for your tractor, car, or anything else. Factories are merely "assembly" plants. So it is really fruitless to talk about "where" a tractor is made. As I see it, the bottom line is what kind of service your tractor gives you and what type of support do you get from your tractor dealer. I have a Deere and an LS. They both have given me good service, but the Deere has plastic panels that have all cracked and broken and the LS has metal panels that look as good now as the day I bought it. The Deere dealer had NO customer service, but the LS dealer is like a friend. When I shopped for a second tractor - the Deere being my other tractor - I looked at all the tractor dealers in a 100 mile area and decided on an LS, because Deere still has the plastic panels and the LS dealer, whom I had experience because I had purchased a Dixie Chopper from several years ago, offered me good service. And I have received good service from the LS dealer for several years.
 

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First off, it's doubtful there's a 30% difference between a Kubota and an off brand like LS that offer the same on both tractors. If your plastic fenders are broke and chipped, then you're abusing the tractor in the woods or somewhere else that it wasn't meant to be used. Next, let's consider the value of that off brand a few years later when you decide to sell or trade. If someone can walk in and buy a brand new off brand cheap, then you will need to drop the price considerably just to sell it because many major brand dealers won't even take them on trade. I don't care if you use that tractor only 50 hrs a year, when it snows and that's the only time you use it, you want it to work. The fact is, many have so many continuous issues soon after purchase, you can't even use it for that 50 hrs a year. It won't start, wiring issues or whatever. One guy I knew, it shorted and nearly burned his garage down once, then another time it took off racing wide open. You 3 sound more like off brand dealers or salesmen for one. I've had those off brand junk tractors and you can keep them. Kubota has treated me very good, no issues with any of them and I work them hard on my farm. Such a nice experience after the lousy ones I've had with the off brands.
 

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First off, it's doubtful there's a 30% difference between a Kubota and an off brand like LS that offer the same on both tractors. If your plastic fenders are broke and chipped, then you're abusing the tractor in the woods or somewhere else that it wasn't meant to be used. Next, let's consider the value of that off brand a few years later when you decide to sell or trade. If someone can walk in and buy a brand new off brand cheap, then you will need to drop the price considerably just to sell it because many major brand dealers won't even take them on trade. I don't care if you use that tractor only 50 hrs a year, when it snows and that's the only time you use it, you want it to work. The fact is, many have so many continuous issues soon after purchase, you can't even use it for that 50 hrs a year. It won't start, wiring issues or whatever. One guy I knew, it shorted and nearly burned his garage down once, then another time it took off racing wide open. You 3 sound more like off brand dealers or salesmen for one. I've had those off brand junk tractors and you can keep them. Kubota has treated me very good, no issues with any of them and I work them hard on my farm. Such a nice experience after the lousy ones I've had with the off brands.
Would like to point out that Kubota was an off brand at one time when JD, IH, Ford, etc ruled the roost! MY JD has NOT been abused and gives me good service, it just has cheep body panels. When I shopped for a second tractor I looked a Kubota and did not care for some of it features. Also the local Kubota dealer did not seem to interested in selling me a tractor, even though I visited him twice! Like I said it is the dealer that makes a difference. I was out on the dealer's lot looking at tractors at both the Kubota and JD dealers and no one came out to offer assistance. I had to go in and seek out a sales person! As far as trading in a tractor, I do not know about your part of the country, but it is very rare to see a used tractor on a dealer's lot here. Folks either keep them forever or sell them outright. I shopped for two months looking for a used tractor and never found one in the size I wanted. Lastly, when I joined this LS forum I understood is supposed to be LS tractor owners discussing their experiences with their LS tractors. If you want to extol the features of another brand, then I suggest go go to that forum!
 

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gorj, I replied to someone wanting suggestions and it lead to a few of you bashing the big brands while praising the offbrand LS. I did not have good experience with off brands regardless of what your claims are. Kubota might not of been one of the major brands back many years ago, but they have worked to get where they are now by taking care of customers and being certain the tractors they put out were top notch. Two people I know both had Kubota's. One had an engine issue after the warranty and Kubota went good for it because they didn't want bad publicity. The other man's transmission went out after the warranty and again, Kubota went good on it for the same reason. These off brands you can barely get parts for let alone that kind of service you'll find from Kubota. Finally again, I offer my advice from been there done that standpoint, don't waste your time looking at these cheap off brands, just make your best deal at your local Kubota dealer and you'll be very happy. 20 years from now, you'll still have a great tractor you will be proud of with lots of great memories doing jobs you never thought that Kubota could even do.
 

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Like I said, this IS an LS forum, and I for one do not want to hear about your Kubota! You have NOT had any personal experience with LS, so suggest you just shut up and enjoy your Kubota.
 

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Like I said, this IS an LS forum, and I for one do not want to hear about your Kubota! You have NOT had any personal experience with LS, so suggest you just shut up and enjoy your Kubota.
ORIGINAL POST: Newbie here. Anyone with any feedback on LS G3033H tractor good or bad. 33hp tractor brand new with a backhoe for $24700. About the same as the new B2601 Kubota with a back hoe
Any input would be great
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Like I mentioned, I was replying to this original post until you wanted to add in your false info and bash the plastic fenders and the BS 30% savings on your no name brand tractor you sell. Been there and done that twice and I'm here to forewarn others not to fall into this trap of lies and BS. These off brands are junk and you'll end up paying back the tiny savings in high priced parts, lousy service, expensive trucking back and fourth to dealers who don't care, while you have no tractor at all to use.
 

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Townline, you need to have those LS folks drop you off an LS for a month for you to use on the farm, free of any charge, so that you can get a real true country feel for these tractors. Who knows, you might possibly find that Kubota doesn't do it for you anymore! :)
 

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LS tractors sold in the US are made in Korea and assembled in the US. The LS tractor plant in China produces tractors only for the China market. LS also manufactures most of the New Holland line of tractors and has for numerous years. I have owned my LS XG3037 for a year and am extremely happy with it. I have owned green, other blue, other other blue, and orange tractors in my 50+ years and my LS can stand toe to toe with all of them. And.....LS was ranked #1 in 2016 in nearly all categories by dealers (many of whom were multiple-brand dealers). Take a test drive, check the quality of build, study the engineering, and take note of the features and price and I think you will be impressed.
 

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I don't own an LS, and don't really know much about them.... I almost have one as my tractor is part of the Case New Holland group and looks somewhat just like an LS. I don't farm as such but I have pastures to maintain and critters to feed. I also use it to clear land and I've put up all my buildings with it. Never had any problems with it so far. I looked at a lot of brands when I was in the market and chose the one I liked the best (of what was available!)

As some of the members have stated, the best thing you need to do is have a good look at whatever tractor you are buying and do your homework. Is it the proper size for the work you want to do. If you buy something too small for what you are doing, eventually you are going to be very unhappy with your purchase, no matter what brand it is. Have a look at the fit and finish, get on it and try it out! Does it feel comfortable to you? How is the dealer? Good service and proper facilities? And do your homework!
There are some great deals out there, but if a deal sounds too good to be true, it's probably not a very good deal at all.
Most importantly, don't ignore the fact that these expensive pieces of machinery need proper and regular maintenance! So consider how that will work out. Locations of oil fills and drains, location of filters that need to be removed and replaced, and the availability of these parts and supplies are also important. My service is easy and straight forward, although I need to remove the FEL to make one of the filter changes go a little easier! :eek:
 

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LS price and warrantee

I just bought my second LS. LS XR4155C. Went from an open cab 38 hp with backhoe to a closed cab 55 hp with bigger backhoe. When pricing an LS against a Kubota or Deere, it is not a little price difference. It's huge! For Deere's comparable model only 600 lbs lighter and 500 lbs less lifting capacity and a 2 or 3 year warrantee it was $68,000. Kubota wanted $62,000 dollars for their equivalent. Again, crappier warrantee. 1 year on this, 2 year on that and again a 500 lb less lifting capacity. LS is 5 year on everything except backhoe. That is 1 year. $38,000!!! They beat out Deere by $30,000 and Kubota by $24,000.!!!!!!!!For a guy on a budget that is hard to argue with. 44% less than Deere. More warrantee and greater capacities. If I had to replace the entire engine and transmission at half life it would still be worth it. You can price any LS against any New Holland, Case (LS makes those by the way). Have you noticed new New Hollands say "LS New Holland" right on the side of them? Price Kubota's, Deere's, Masseys. You can get an LS with an AC/Heat cab for about the same price or less than an open cab of the competition. If you need parts, find a New Holland dealer. However, I would not recommend buying any tractor, no matter what brand, without close dealer support.
 

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XR4155C specs

Sorry, new tractor (XR4155C) is 55hp. 47.3hp at PTO. 4X4, front end loader with 2,723 lbs lifting capacity. Backhoe with around 8ft digging depth. 12 inch and 18 inch bucket. It has some serious digging power too. Much more substantial backhoe than one you would rent at a home depot. AC/Heat, radio, shuttle shift, 16 speed. 4 gears and 4 ranges. Draft control, two remotes, locking rear differential, telescoping lift arms. Adjustable air ride seat. Tilt steering and a few other buttons I haven't learned yet. Has to do with RPM settings and stuff. All the things you would want in a good tractor.
 
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