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Thinking about buying the LS brand? I have the XR 4046 with a front loader and for a short while loved everything about it BUT....... It now has 153 hrs and the clutch is out and won't move forward or backward. After doing some research and despite what the salesman will tell you, I find the warranty to be suspect. LS wants to blame you for the parts failing and says things like the clutch is a "wearable" part. Now I admit, one could ride a clutch pedal and cause this problem but this is NOT the case. Even if it was do you mean to tell me it will give out in 153 hrs? I've had Ford and Case backhoes with thousands of hrs on them and their clutches were fine. Wish you the best if you buy LS but I wish I had bought Kubota or New Holland or John Deere.
 

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Are you stating the hydrostatic transmission has a clutch? Are you sure of the model? It an H or HC, or one of the syncro shuttle 16 speed versions?

If it is the syncro shuttle transmission version, those clutches fail from operator error, usually failure to drop the engine speed to idle and come to full stop before changing directions. All brands of manual transmission tractors with shuttles must be brought to full stop and returned to idle or they tear out the clutches.

All compact and utility tractors, hydrostatic and shuttle, must be dropped to idle and at a complete stop before changing directions because they do not have shock absorbing torque converters..

Kubota in the shop right now with 86 hours and the hydraulic shuttle clutch pack torn out from misuse. High dollar repair because it is the internal hydraulic clutch pack. Be about $8200 in repairs before it is done.

The Case and later Ford backhoes use torque converters and hydrostatic drives that allow directional changes on the fly.
Thank you Mr. Wells for the info. I appreciated your thoughts. No matter what, a tractor which still has all the little tits on the tires and only 153 hrs should not be a broken unit. It's not like I was running up and down the road and cramming into forward and then reverse. This sounds like what a dealer would tell a customer when they don't want to honor a warranty. Thank you though!
 

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As I understand the LS warranty, it is two years bumper to bumper (entire tractor), 6 years limited powertrain warranty. How old is your tractor??
Tractor is at dealership in Vienna, IL now. I bought it from a lady whose son? husband? had passed. Had 50 hours and now has 153. Still has knobbies on the tires! Hoping the dealer can get some kind of warranty service from LS.
 

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You generally have specific rights under the concept of a product being fit for the intended use in most states.

An item is deemed merchantable if it is reasonably fit for the ordinary purposes for which such products are manufactured and sold. For example, soap is merchantable if it cleans. In general, a seller or manufacturer is required by law to make products of merchantable quality. In the event that the items do not meet with the proper standards, a suit can be brought against the seller or manufacturer by anyone who is injured as a result.

In this case the concept of injured means economic damage as well as other forms of injury.

Letting the dealer or manufacturer's rep know that you understand your rights is usually enough to obtain fair treatment.

Check with your State's Justice Department, or Consumer Affairs Agency. They will point you in the right direction to assure your rights are protected.

It is difficult when a person purchases used equipment without knowing the prior operators' treatment of that equipment. Unfortunately, condition of the tires means nothing. Also, one does not need to be running down the road cramming between forward and reverse, just normal loader operation while failing to stop and idle down when using a shuttle is enough to ruin the clutching system. The repair professional will be able to tell in a heartbeat if the failure was due to premature mechanical failure or operator abuse as soon as they open it up and inspect the failed components.

You are not alone, seems I terminate an operator or two every few years for burning out shuttle clutches (and these are folks that were properly trained) from inappropriate use, it is not a unique happenstance on one brand of tractor either. If it were I would not buy that brand.
Interesting. Surprised I didn't tear up the backhoes I had for years. Just lucky I guess. Thanks for the tip!
 
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