Kioti CX2510, 3 months old, suddenly won't start

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W E Kioti Super Genius?

Discussion Starter · Sep 4, 2021

I have a new CX2510. Last night I turned it off at the end of daylight. This morning I went to start it up and it won't turn over. The dealer I bought it from has been below substandard in many areas, including the assembly of the machine. I don't even want to talk to them about this. There is another dealer a couple of hours away that I can go to, and they were pleasant on the phone when they were called about the problem, but their troubleshooting over the phone only could get so far. It is the weekend and I and I am really trying to get this figured out.

Here is the list of things that I have done to troubleshoot:

1) The dash lights up when turning the key on. I hear the relays click on.
2) I tested the seat switch and tested the clutch switch. They both work. I can sit on the seat and then stand up. I can hear both safety relays click. I have not tested the PTO nor the HST switch yet.
3) Of course I made sure the HST is in neutral, seat down, clutch pushed, PTO disengaged when trying to start.
4) I have traced some of the wiring looking for breaks but haven't found any so far.
5) All fuses are good

I am at a loss what I should be doing to test or continue looking at.

Help

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Quinn the Eskimo

· #41 · Dec 20, 2021

I’m late to the dance, but my new CX2510 came with a factory shunt for the seat switch. Apparently that switch can be a problem…

SidecarFlip

· #42 · Dec 20, 2021

Better late than never. For years, I've used a straightened out paper clip as a 'shunt' for troublesome presence switches. In fact, I have one securely inserted in my seat switch on my zero turn mower.

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unsquidly

· #43 · Dec 20, 2021 (Edited)

Quinn the Eskimo said:
I’m late to the dance, but my new CX2510 came with a factory shunt for the seat switch. Apparently that switch can be a problem…

My new CK3510 came with this also......My local dealer says that the seat switch is not usually a problem but the neutral safety switch on the CS models is.....The CS2410 that I had went through 2 in the first 6 months then no more problems after that....LOL

Crown Hill

· #44 · Mar 19, 2022

W E Kioti Super Genius? said:
I don't know if the module, by itself, can be jumpered or bypassed. I ended up bypassing the entire safety system to make mine work until they could get the tractor in for repairs. I know Kioti and the dealer do not recommend it as it potentially puts you or your tractor in danger.

I cut the wires and twisted them together and used a heat shrink to protect/seal the connection. I believe in safety but needing to be on the machine to have it run is going too far. How do you run a PTO generator like that? Does your car or truck have this safety feature? And I always warm my tractor up for a few minutes before using it and I'm certainly not sitting on the seat for 5 minutes waiting for that to happen.

classicdmax

· #45 · Apr 6, 2022

new to the forum and joining the fight here
im having the same issues on a 2020. it started with intermittent no start and i assumed it was a safety switch on the fritz. then turned into a no start situation, i was able to bypass by jumping starter as instructed by dealer. now i cant get it to start at all. i hear no relays firing when turning ignition on, i can jump at starter but all it does is turn over....does not fire. been waiting on my dealer a bit as their tech has been out for a while. machine has been dead for couple weeks now and im falling behind in my chores. ive read through this chat a couple times, can i bypass relay under seat somehow to test for fault?
thanks
j

pogobill

· #46 · Apr 7, 2022

Not sure what fight you are joining. You should probably go through your safety switches, one at a time, to determine if one of them is an issue.
After all the jump starting, I'd check the battery connections, from the battery through to the starter and to the ground. See if that clears up the no-start.

LouNY

· #47 · Apr 7, 2022

If a diesel in new or good shape cranks but doesn't start it's not getting fuel.
Energize or manually operate your fuel shut down and it will start if cranking over.

classicdmax

· #48 · Apr 7, 2022

My thoughts as well but fear it’s deeper than just safety switches and injection pump. It’s also been a while since glow plugs were firing….related or not I do not know. I haven’t had a ton of free time to dive into it but think I’m going to have to start since my dealer is slow to pick it up. I’m inclined to have them do work since it’s still a warranty issue

LouNY

· #49 · Apr 7, 2022

classicdmax said:
My thoughts as well but fear it’s deeper than just safety switches and injection pump. It’s also been a while since glow plugs were firing….related or not I do not know. I haven’t had a ton of free time to dive into it but think I’m going to have to start since my dealer is slow to pick it up. I’m inclined to have them do work since it’s still a warranty issue

Yes under warranty get after them to get it running correctly.
Your glow plug operation will depend upon your tractor,
per your manual are they automatically applied or manually from your key operation.

classicdmax

· #50 · Apr 7, 2022

LouNY said:
Yes under warranty get after them to get it running correctly.
Your glow plug operation will depend upon your tractor,
per your manual are they automatically applied or manually from your key operation.

Turn key backwards and hold for manual glow plug action, turn key to run position glow plugs cycle automatically. Tractor is a cx2510. I don’t use machine much in winter other than to move my trailers around, glow plugs started to fail early winter with just a split second auto cycle, I couldn’t activate manually either. Then they stopped all together and stopped hearing relay clicking as well. All fuses look good. Played phone tag today with dealer…well see
Thanks for input

unsquidly

· #51 · Apr 8, 2022

classicdmax said:
Turn key backwards and hold for manual glow plug action, turn key to run position glow plugs cycle automatically. Tractor is a cx2510. I don’t use machine much in winter other than to move my trailers around, glow plugs started to fail early winter with just a split second auto cycle, I couldn’t activate manually either. Then they stopped all together and stopped hearing relay clicking as well. All fuses look good. Played phone tag today with dealer…well see
Thanks for input

Don't let your local dealer jack you around too much.....If it gets bad, let me know and I will call my local dealer which is owned by a buddy of mine and get you a number to someone at Kioti that will step in and help you out.....I know of a couple of people that have done this and it worked....

SidecarFlip

· #52 · Apr 8, 2022

Where you been? I missed your wit?

unsquidly

· #53 · Apr 11, 2022

SidecarFlip said:
Where you been? I missed your wit?

Thanks.......Long story short, I only allow myself to spend time on this and a few other forums the nights that I am out overnight.....I had to have a sinus and ear surgery and was off work for 3 weeks......I guess I forgot to pass this information along here.....Several folks have sent me pms wondering what was up......Nice to be missed......Thanks....I am back now.....

smarlb3

· #54 · 9 mo ago

I have the same tractor and the same problem CX2510 2022. How did you start the tractor by bypassing the solenoid. I dont want to short something out. If I connect a hot line to the starter side I get a high speed spin sound but not a catch to the starter. It is a real pain to have a brand new tractor that wont start.

FredM

· #55 · 9 mo ago

smarlb3 said:
I have the same tractor and the same problem CX2510 2022. How did you start the tractor by bypassing the solenoid. I dont want to short something out. If I connect a hot line to the starter side I get a high speed spin sound but not a catch to the starter. It is a real pain to have a brand new tractor that wont start.

new tractor and no warranty??.

Buy yourself a remote start switch, connect one lead to battery pole on solenoid and the other lead to the hot wire spade on the solenoid, turn ignition on (make sure tractor is in neutral) and press the remote starter button, if the solenoid is ok, then the tractor should start and you have a problem with the start circuit,(ignition switch, safety sensors) if the solenoid doesn't engage then you have a solenoid problem.

What you did was bridge high amperage to the starter motor only, you need the solenoid to engage the bendix drive to turn the engine over for starting.

smarlb3

· #56 · 9 mo ago

Thanks. The tractor is under warranty but i am trying to avoid having to go to the dealer before 50 hours so I can get a service plus repair any other issue.

I had left the tractor outside 2 days ago and it rained. The next day it wouldnt start. I checked the ohms on the seat switch and it read 5 ohms. My understanding is that is should read 22. Today I checked it and it started. I ran it for a 2 hours and then shut it off and it started right up. I put it back in the barn. I hope there is no further issue until I can get it to the dealer.

Bridging the leads works on older cars, but I will get a remote start incase I have the same issue when I am trying to load it on the trailer.

Thanks for your help.

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StudeHudson

· #57 · 7 mo ago

Ok, I have the same "no start" issue. This is an CK3510SE HST 2022 model.
Less than 40 hours. Was using tractor to push a small brush pile to burn. Turned off to do some manual labor
and got back on, turned key- dash lights came on, normal "werring" sounds but no engine turn or start.
Looked for torn wires and such. I did find two wires broken underneath the trans close to the HST filter. Strange as they looked clipped off at same location and not torn. Anyway, prepped the ends and wired back using squeeze connectors.
Still nothing.
Jumped from battery to starter solenoid and had wife to set in seat and turn key to "on" position. Cranked and started right up so I drove it to my shop about 100 yards away. Set overnight with trickle charger hooked up. Fully charged. Same no crank/start the next morning.
Checked seat switch, had 22 ohms with seat being set on, so it's ok according to others posts.
Went back to wires under trans. Temporary wired together to by pass the sensor or solenoid on trans and check with voltage meter, showed 4 volts with key on. Not sure what this means except some voltage going thru.
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StudeHudson

· #58 · 7 mo ago

doing more research, looks like the item underneath and beside the transmission is this
modulator valve (pto clutch)
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FredM

· #59 · 7 mo ago

StudeHudson, before bridging two wires like you have, you need to check the circuit of the wiring, what looks to be a solenoid attached to the servo would have one wire being hot when the switch is turned on and the other would be an earth return to make the solenoid circuit, twitching together would give you a direct short and if your tractor is ECU controlled, be careful then.

You will need to trace out the start circuit, is there a safety sensor on the gear shift linkage, even the clutch pedal and also the PTO wiring, also need to read the start spade on the ignition switch with the key turned to start, the switch could be going faulty.

LouNY

· #60 · 7 mo ago

With it starting good bypassing everything it sounds like a safety interlock. It could be a bad switch or wiring but my first thought would be a safety interlock.

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