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The jumper on the starter did not bypass the safety switches when I did mine. (My jumper wire, with a switch, goes from battery connection on the starter over to the solenoid.) In fact the the following was required while using the start jumper:
  • The tractor had to be in neutral or the engine would turn over but never fire
  • The clutch had to be pushed in (even though I have an HST) or it wouldn't turn over
  • I had to be in the seat. Yes, even though the seat module is defective and won't allow it to start, I had to be in the seat to keep it running. I know that seems strange but that is what it takes to keep it going.
The dealer got the seat module in and I am making arrangements to get the tractor up to them to get it installed.

The is the brake pedal......HST has no clutch pedal.....This is the case on most if not all newer smaller tractors......If you set the parking brake you don't have to push the pedal....Also, you can take your hand and push down on the middle of the seat and apply enough pressure to trip the seat switch.....
 

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Yep!!
the clutch is on the left, two brake pedals on the right and the forward/reverse HST pedal closer to the transmission on the right hand side.

I'll attach a couple of photos if you want!!.
 

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It's too dark outside to take a picture so here it is from the manual.

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I don't need to see the manual......I know exactly what your tractor looks like.......I had one just like it for 3 years.....

Edit: My apology. I just reread this thread and saw the picture from your manual.......I did not realize that the CX models had a clutch pedal.........I stand corrected....
 

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Yep!!
the clutch is on the left, two brake pedals on the right and the forward/reverse HST pedal closer to the transmission on the right hand side.

I'll attach a couple of photos if you want!!.

I believe ya, Fred.......I just have not ever seen a HST model small tractor with a clutch pedal.....That is a new one on me and not really sure why a HST drive would need one.....
 

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I believe ya, Fred.......I just have not ever seen a HST model small tractor with a clutch pedal.....That is a new one on me and not really sure why a HST drive would need one.....
Most likely because the tractor has a high/low gear shift, a 540 PTO and a separate 1000 PTO unsquidly, I have to place the high/low into neutral to start, and also have to declutch to engage either of the PTO's, otherwise I would be grinding the gear teeth smooth, almost forgot, and there is the 4WD engagement as well,
 

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Most likely because the tractor has a high/low gear shift, a 540 PTO and a separate 1000 PTO unsquidly, I have to place the high/low into neutral to start, and also have to declutch to engage either of the PTO's, otherwise I would be grinding the gear teeth smooth, almost forgot, and there is the 4WD engagement as well,
All HST tractors that I have ever owned have at least a high/low range for the HST drive...The current Kioti that I have has a 3 range HST drive and no clutch pedal. My current one has a switch to engage and disengage the rear PTO but it only has the 540 speed PTO then the lever to engage the front axel for 4 wheel drive.....
 

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The jumper on the starter did not bypass the safety switches when I did mine. (My jumper wire, with a switch, goes from battery connection on the starter over to the solenoid.) In fact the the following was required while using the start jumper:
  • The tractor had to be in neutral or the engine would turn over but never fire
  • The clutch had to be pushed in (even though I have an HST) or it wouldn't turn over
  • I had to be in the seat. Yes, even though the seat module is defective and won't allow it to start, I had to be in the seat to keep it running. I know that seems strange but that is what it takes to keep it going.
The dealer got the seat module in and I am making arrangements to get the tractor up to them to get it installed.



Did the module fix your issue? I have had to Pto light on on mine for 2 months they put 2 new dash board clusters in it and that hasn't fixed it. They are now ordering safety control unit which is under the seat. It controls all the safety switches.
 

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Yes i do . Bought it in april has had a new sub wiring harness on it less than a month old now been dealing with this issue.
I have a CX2510 HST. Now I'm worried and my Tractor is 1,400 miles away. Bought it in July and it only has 30 hours on it. Won't be back up to where it is until June-July.

Hope that, if the problem shows up, it's within the warranty period. Which is what...?? I forgot. One year on other-than-drivetyrain?? Dunno.
 

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I have a CX2510 HST. Now I'm worried and my Tractor is 1,400 miles away. Bought it in July and it only has 30 hours on it. Won't be back up to where it is until June-July.

Hope that, if the problem shows up, it's within the warranty period. Which is what...?? I forgot. One year on other-than-drivetyrain?? Dunno.
Should be 2 years "bumper to bumper" and 7 power train.....Local dealer says that he has not seen this to be a common problem over all on Kioti tractors.....
 

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Should be 2 years "bumper to bumper" and 7 power train.....Local dealer says that he has not seen this to be a common problem over all on Kioti tractors.....
I wonder if it's not a matter of 'who assembles them'? They come in packed in crates, don't they? Aren't they mostly 'RTA' (ready to assemble)or 'KD'( Knockdown) for shipping purposes and the Dealer has to put them together?

At least that's what I assume. And you know what 'assume' means...
 

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I wonder if it's not a matter of 'who assembles them'? They come in packed in crates, don't they? Aren't they mostly 'RTA' (ready to assemble)or 'KD'( Knockdown) for shipping purposes and the Dealer has to put them together?

At least that's what I assume. And you know what 'assume' means...

They do come in crates, the new one I bought this spring was still in the crate when I went to look at it......Mainly wheels and tires, seat and any deal installed attachments is all that need to be assembled by the dealer.....Not sure how much is required on the cab models.....Mine is an open station.....
 

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My M9 Cabin tractor shipped complete in a 40 foot container with 2 more. Kubota removes the left side and right side wheels on each one to get them into a container, so they clear the top of the container. Dealer has a picture of them in a container. Smaller ones ship in angle iron frames that the dealer returns to Kubota. Wheels and tires are packed with the unit in the frame. Way back when I used to haul John Deere's out of Horicon, Wisconsin, JD shipped theirs the same way, in angle iron frames. You always dropped your trailer in the holding lot and JD employees would load it and secure them to the trailer. All you did was haul them to the respective dealer. Used to deliver a lot of them in the PA and NJ area.
 

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The module fixed my tractor's issue instantly. The dealer I now use has 3 locations and they stated that they have had to replace quite a few of these modules. They keep multiple on hand because of it.

I'm not certain on how long the defective ones were made and installed in the tractors as compared to when the updated ones entered the assembly line.

I have to look again but I think mine came with a two year, 2000 hour warranty. I will verify that later and let you know.
 

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The main reason why I don't want any tractor that has electronic controls. Not that it's all bad but with supply chain economics screwed up, if your dealer (or any dealer for that matter) don't have one, getting one can turn into a nightmare and all that time, you are dead in the water.

Case in point, I have a cracked fuse block on one of my M9's and there aren't any, anywhere in the system so it's ordered but when it physically shows up is conjecture. I was able to 'jury rig' it but it needs replacement when it finally shows up, which could be next week or next month or a year from now. No one knows.

Why dealers don't have any tractors as well. My dealer is getting incomplete tractors delivered. Tractors without loaders or tractors missing parts that are on order but when they show up is a crap shoot. Like I said in another post, Kioti dealers have to have a signed purchase contract and a deposit before Kioti will build and ship a unit. That came from a Kioti dealer's parts manager that I happen to know personally. They have zero floor planned units in stock btw., and they sell a lo of them. Not a dealer mandate, a corporate mandate. If it's true or not, I have no idea, just something I was told during the course of a conversation.

Keep in mind that most new tractors are made offshore and have to come in containers and those containers have to be offloaded and the traffic jam at container ports causes huge delays.

I didn't cause the mess but I still have to deal with it, like it or not.

One thing I'm finding interesting is the lack of QC in the stuff that is getting delivered. I've 'fixed' a number of screw up's for my dealer in poorly fitted parts. Never did that before. Bad welds, bad alignment of assemblies and overall lack of attention to assemblies. Things that should not happen are popping up. Glad I can fix them but not something I really want to see (or repair).

The more electronics involved, the better chance for failure and I think we all know that none of those components are made domestically so, if a dealer don't have the 'module' and there aren't any to be had, you as the end use gets screwed. No one's fault other than supply chain economics and we as end users have no control over that. No point in whining about it to a dealer as they have no control over supply chain economics either. Everyone is in the same boat.
 

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The module fixed my tractor's issue instantly. The dealer I now use has 3 locations and they stated that they have had to replace quite a few of these modules. They keep multiple on hand because of it.

I'm not certain on how long the defective ones were made and installed in the tractors as compared to when the updated ones entered the assembly line.

I have to look again but I think mine came with a two year, 2000 hour warranty. I will verify that later and let you know.

What year is yours?
 
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