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I have a new CX2510. Last night I turned it off at the end of daylight. This morning I went to start it up and it won't turn over. The dealer I bought it from has been below substandard in many areas, including the assembly of the machine. I don't even want to talk to them about this. There is another dealer a couple of hours away that I can go to, and they were pleasant on the phone when they were called about the problem, but their troubleshooting over the phone only could get so far. It is the weekend and I and I am really trying to get this figured out.

Here is the list of things that I have done to troubleshoot:

1) The dash lights up when turning the key on. I hear the relays click on.
2) I tested the seat switch and tested the clutch switch. They both work. I can sit on the seat and then stand up. I can hear both safety relays click. I have not tested the PTO nor the HST switch yet.
3) Of course I made sure the HST is in neutral, seat down, clutch pushed, PTO disengaged when trying to start.
4) I have traced some of the wiring looking for breaks but haven't found any so far.
5) All fuses are good

I am at a loss what I should be doing to test or continue looking at.

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Further testing: jumpered the solenoid to the battery and it runs like normal. Tested the PTO safety switch and that is working. Doesn't that mean either the HST safety switch (which I can't get to yet) or one of the wires going to the switches?
 

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FredM. Thank you for that. I believe you are right and since it runs after starting that demonstrates that is not any of the safety switches and wires are bad (yay!). However, to get to the ignition I would have to take the entire dash off. Since this is under warranty I will let them do that when they can get it in. I have put a temporary jumper wire in with a switch to start it.

Thanks again!
 

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Ironic that you would ask today... I dropped the tractor off at a different dealer this afternoon. (Great experience talking with them). The tech believes it is a module under the seat. Apparently in the '21 CX series the modules have a grounding problem that burns them out in a very short period of time. He says he will try to pull the seat tomorrow and let me know. I will let you know what he says.
 

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I don't know if the module, by itself, can be jumpered or bypassed. I ended up bypassing the entire safety system to make mine work until they could get the tractor in for repairs. I know Kioti and the dealer do not recommend it as it potentially puts you or your tractor in danger.
 

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Oh, mine is under warranty and so everything is being covered. While the warranty remains in effect I will keep everything in place so that they are responsible for repairs. I agree with you that common sense options to turn the safety on or off should be available. But on the other side of the argument: have you seen some of the people out there?
 

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I have a new cx2510 as well and I’m having the same problem. I called my local dealership and they said have someone on the tractor and go through all the normal starting sequence, now take the igniton wire off of the starter solenoid and jump it to the hot wire of the solenoid, he said it bypasses all the safety switches and should fire up. I’ve done that and it cranks over but doesn’t run. I called back and they said it sounds like the seat safety switch. I took that apart at the quick connect and jumped it out with a wire to act as the switch is closed. Still no improvement. It kind of sounds like a similar issue but not exactly the same since jumped the seat switch out. I actually had this problem last weekend. I Let it sit for a day and it fired right up! I started and stoped it 10 times this week. I Start and stopped it 5 times this morning and then after disconnecting my backhoe attachment I’m having this issue again.
Any suggestions? Thanks
The jumper on the starter did not bypass the safety switches when I did mine. (My jumper wire, with a switch, goes from battery connection on the starter over to the solenoid.) In fact the the following was required while using the start jumper:
  • The tractor had to be in neutral or the engine would turn over but never fire
  • The clutch had to be pushed in (even though I have an HST) or it wouldn't turn over
  • I had to be in the seat. Yes, even though the seat module is defective and won't allow it to start, I had to be in the seat to keep it running. I know that seems strange but that is what it takes to keep it going.
The dealer got the seat module in and I am making arrangements to get the tractor up to them to get it installed.
 

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The module fixed my tractor's issue instantly. The dealer I now use has 3 locations and they stated that they have had to replace quite a few of these modules. They keep multiple on hand because of it.

I'm not certain on how long the defective ones were made and installed in the tractors as compared to when the updated ones entered the assembly line.

I have to look again but I think mine came with a two year, 2000 hour warranty. I will verify that later and let you know.
 
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