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Have you had any luck with figuring this out yet?

 

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Ironic that you would ask today... I dropped the tractor off at a different dealer this afternoon. (Great experience talking with them). The tech believes it is a module under the seat. Apparently in the '21 CX series the modules have a grounding problem that burns them out in a very short period of time. He says he will try to pull the seat tomorrow and let me know. I will let you know what he says.

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Oh, mine is under warranty and so everything is being covered. While the warranty remains in effect I will keep everything in place so that they are responsible for repairs. I agree with you that common sense options to turn the safety on or off should be available. But on the other side of the argument: have you seen some of the people out there?

The same reason that the put a warning on the packaging for fan belts that tell you not to try to install it with the engine running.....LOL

 

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I have a new cx2510 as well and I’m having the same problem. I called my local dealership and they said have someone on the tractor and go through all the normal starting sequence, now take the igniton wire off of the starter solenoid and jump it to the hot wire of the solenoid, he said it bypasses all the safety switches and should fire up. I’ve done that and it cranks over but doesn’t run. I called back and they said it sounds like the seat safety switch. I took that apart at the quick connect and jumped it out with a wire to act as the switch is closed. Still no improvement. It kind of sounds like a similar issue but not exactly the same since jumped the seat switch out. I actually had this problem last weekend. I Let it sit for a day and it fired right up! I started and stoped it 10 times this week. I Start and stopped it 5 times this morning and then after disconnecting my backhoe attachment I’m having this issue again.
Any suggestions? Thanks

Have you tried jumpering around the neutral safety switch? That is the first place I would start.... The reason I would start with this is with it being mounted on the transmission if it is bad it will open up when it gets hot then close once it is cool. The tractor will run fine if this happens once it is running but it will not restart until the switch closes again which it when it cools off.....I had the exact same problem with the 2017 Kioti CS2210 I had. Dealer changed the neutral safety switch and problem solved.....

 

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The jumper on the starter did not bypass the safety switches when I did mine. (My jumper wire, with a switch, goes from battery connection on the starter over to the solenoid.) In fact the the following was required while using the start jumper:

• The tractor had to be in neutral or the engine would turn over but never fire
• The clutch had to be pushed in (even though I have an HST) or it wouldn't turn over
• I had to be in the seat. Yes, even though the seat module is defective and won't allow it to start, I had to be in the seat to keep it running. I know that seems strange but that is what it takes to keep it going.

The dealer got the seat module in and I am making arrangements to get the tractor up to them to get it installed.

The is the brake pedal......HST has no clutch pedal.....This is the case on most if not all newer smaller tractors......If you set the parking brake you don't have to push the pedal....Also, you can take your hand and push down on the middle of the seat and apply enough pressure to trip the seat switch.....

 

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My Kubota has a clutch pedal where it should be and it is also a HST.

Hmmmm.....Ok.....Unless his is different then every other Kioti HST I have ever had or seen, it don't.....Just twin pedals for HST drive and a brake pedal.....

So you have the single HST pedal for the HST drive and then a clutch and a brake pedal on your Kubota?

 

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It's too dark outside to take a picture so here it is from the manual.

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I don't need to see the manual......I know exactly what your tractor looks like.......I had one just like it for 3 years.....

Edit: My apology. I just reread this thread and saw the picture from your manual.......I did not realize that the CX models had a clutch pedal.........I stand corrected....

 

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Yep!!
the clutch is on the left, two brake pedals on the right and the forward/reverse HST pedal closer to the transmission on the right hand side.

I'll attach a couple of photos if you want!!.

I believe ya, Fred.......I just have not ever seen a HST model small tractor with a clutch pedal.....That is a new one on me and not really sure why a HST drive would need one.....

 

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Most likely because the tractor has a high/low gear shift, a 540 PTO and a separate 1000 PTO unsquidly, I have to place the high/low into neutral to start, and also have to declutch to engage either of the PTO's, otherwise I would be grinding the gear teeth smooth, almost forgot, and there is the 4WD engagement as well,

All HST tractors that I have ever owned have at least a high/low range for the HST drive...The current Kioti that I have has a 3 range HST drive and no clutch pedal. My current one has a switch to engage and disengage the rear PTO but it only has the 540 speed PTO then the lever to engage the front axel for 4 wheel drive.....

 

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Do you have the same model?

 

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I have a CX2510 HST. Now I'm worried and my Tractor is 1,400 miles away. Bought it in July and it only has 30 hours on it. Won't be back up to where it is until June-July.

Hope that, if the problem shows up, it's within the warranty period. Which is what...?? I forgot. One year on other-than-drivetyrain?? Dunno.

Should be 2 years "bumper to bumper" and 7 power train.....Local dealer says that he has not seen this to be a common problem over all on Kioti tractors.....

 

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I wonder if it's not a matter of 'who assembles them'? They come in packed in crates, don't they? Aren't they mostly 'RTA' (ready to assemble)or 'KD'( Knockdown) for shipping purposes and the Dealer has to put them together?

At least that's what I assume. And you know what 'assume' means...

They do come in crates, the new one I bought this spring was still in the crate when I went to look at it......Mainly wheels and tires, seat and any deal installed attachments is all that need to be assembled by the dealer.....Not sure how much is required on the cab models.....Mine is an open station.....

 

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The module fixed my tractor's issue instantly. The dealer I now use has 3 locations and they stated that they have had to replace quite a few of these modules. They keep multiple on hand because of it.

I'm not certain on how long the defective ones were made and installed in the tractors as compared to when the updated ones entered the assembly line.

I have to look again but I think mine came with a two year, 2000 hour warranty. I will verify that later and let you know.

What year is yours?

 

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I’m late to the dance, but my new CX2510 came with a factory shunt for the seat switch. Apparently that switch can be a problem…

My new CK3510 came with this also......My local dealer says that the seat switch is not usually a problem but the neutral safety switch on the CS models is.....The CS2410 that I had went through 2 in the first 6 months then no more problems after that....LOL

 

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Turn key backwards and hold for manual glow plug action, turn key to run position glow plugs cycle automatically. Tractor is a cx2510. I don’t use machine much in winter other than to move my trailers around, glow plugs started to fail early winter with just a split second auto cycle, I couldn’t activate manually either. Then they stopped all together and stopped hearing relay clicking as well. All fuses look good. Played phone tag today with dealer…well see
Thanks for input

Don't let your local dealer jack you around too much.....If it gets bad, let me know and I will call my local dealer which is owned by a buddy of mine and get you a number to someone at Kioti that will step in and help you out.....I know of a couple of people that have done this and it worked....

 

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Where you been? I missed your wit?

Thanks.......Long story short, I only allow myself to spend time on this and a few other forums the nights that I am out overnight.....I had to have a sinus and ear surgery and was off work for 3 weeks......I guess I forgot to pass this information along here.....Several folks have sent me pms wondering what was up......Nice to be missed......Thanks....I am back now.....

 

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Problem solved!!
I feel dumb but glad I found the issue. I purchased an on-line workshop manual and started going thru it. Came to the page discussing the PTO control knob mounted on the right fender. You have to push down and turn it to the "on position" for pto to become active. Push down and turn back and it pops up to the off position.
The bucket control arm/handle is mounted on the same side and when you pull the handle back and to the right, it actually touches the yellow pto control knob. I have never run the pto and I think while using the bucket/grapple control, the pto control got pushed into the "active" position when the bucket handle hit it. This is what the manual says-
The PTO switch is installed on the fender of the right
side from the seat. When the PTO main switch is OFF,
the PTO system is deactivated.
Also, when the ECU receives an ON signal from the PTO main switch, it
sends no signal to the start motor relay so cranking of
the start motor is not performed. (Safety measure)
A light bulb went off in my head when I read that so I went and checked, sure enough the switch was in active mode.
Turned to the "off" position and the tractor cranked up and started right away---- View attachment 83442

That is strange......They must have changed the joystick from 2021 to 2022......I have a 2021 CK3510 and mine does not come back far enough to even come close to touching the PTO knob.......

 

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I wonder is that a cable operated joystick, if so the cables could be mis adjusted.

I don't think it is cable operated but it looks to me like it is installed wrong or something to have it in the wrong place...Like I said, mine in any position does not even come close to touching the PTO switch......