[W E Kioti Super Genius?]

I have a new CX2510. Last night I turned it off at the end of daylight. This morning I went to start it up and it won't turn over. The dealer I bought it from has been below substandard in many areas, including the assembly of the machine. I don't even want to talk to them about this. There is another dealer a couple of hours away that I can go to, and they were pleasant on the phone when they were called about the problem, but their troubleshooting over the phone only could get so far. It is the weekend and I and I am really trying to get this figured out.

Here is the list of things that I have done to troubleshoot:

1) The dash lights up when turning the key on. I hear the relays click on.
2) I tested the seat switch and tested the clutch switch. They both work. I can sit on the seat and then stand up. I can hear both safety relays click. I have not tested the PTO nor the HST switch yet.
3) Of course I made sure the HST is in neutral, seat down, clutch pushed, PTO disengaged when trying to start.
4) I have traced some of the wiring looking for breaks but haven't found any so far.
5) All fuses are good

I am at a loss what I should be doing to test or continue looking at.

Help

 

[W E Kioti Super Genius?]

Further testing: jumpered the solenoid to the battery and it runs like normal. Tested the PTO safety switch and that is working. Doesn't that mean either the HST safety switch (which I can't get to yet) or one of the wires going to the switches?

 

[FredM]

Check the start hot wire that runs from the switch to the solenoid start spade, remove the hot wire from spade and have someone hold the switch in the start position and if you have a multimeter, set to volts and check if there is voltage at the hot wire, could be the switch, spray some contact cleaner or RP7 dewatering fluid into the innards if possible and work the switch full on and off, with the hot wire off of the solenoid spade.

 

[W E Kioti Super Genius?]

FredM. Thank you for that. I believe you are right and since it runs after starting that demonstrates that is not any of the safety switches and wires are bad (yay!). However, to get to the ignition I would have to take the entire dash off. Since this is under warranty I will let them do that when they can get it in. I have put a temporary jumper wire in with a switch to start it.

Thanks again!

 

[FredM]

Most times the safety switches will prevent the starting , but you mentioned you had checked them all, and again, jumpering like you have will bypass the safety switches as you know, even if you have a faulty safety switch the engine will still start by jumper, you are bypassing the safety circuit.

 

[unsquidly]

Have you had any luck with figuring this out yet?

 

[W E Kioti Super Genius?]

Ironic that you would ask today... I dropped the tractor off at a different dealer this afternoon. (Great experience talking with them). The tech believes it is a module under the seat. Apparently in the '21 CX series the modules have a grounding problem that burns them out in a very short period of time. He says he will try to pull the seat tomorrow and let me know. I will let you know what he says.

 

[unsquidly]

Ironic that you would ask today... I dropped the tractor off at a different dealer this afternoon. (Great experience talking with them). The tech believes it is a module under the seat. Apparently in the '21 CX series the modules have a grounding problem that burns them out in a very short period of time. He says he will try to pull the seat tomorrow and let me know. I will let you know what he says.

Cool.....Thanks...

 

[W E Kioti Super Genius?]

The tech called today and said it is the module under the seat. They ordered some but they are on backorder so might be a couple of weeks.

 

[SidecarFlip]

Is it possible to 'bypass' or jumper it?

 

[W E Kioti Super Genius?]

I don't know if the module, by itself, can be jumpered or bypassed. I ended up bypassing the entire safety system to make mine work until they could get the tractor in for repairs. I know Kioti and the dealer do not recommend it as it potentially puts you or your tractor in danger.

 

[SidecarFlip]

Danger to what or to whom? Neither of my older Kubota's have any of that stuff (other than a PTO switch warning buzzer, not that they won't run with the PTO engaged and no one in the operators seat) because they will and I do when running a grain leg.

Far as I'm concerned, all those 'safety devices' are there to protect the manufacturer from liability and really do nothing positive for the operator so long as the operator deploys some common sense. If it was mine, I'd jumper it or defeat it and move on, especially if you have to foot the bill for a new one. I have none of those 'safety devices' on my 2 large frame Kubota's and candidly don't want any. I'm a responsible adult and can decide what it safe and what isn't. I can see the need for a ROPS (roll over protection device) and a seat belt, but the rest of it is superfluous to me.

All about protecting yourself from yourself and to a lesser extent, protecting the manufacturer from any liability claims caused by improper operation.

 

[W E Kioti Super Genius?]

Oh, mine is under warranty and so everything is being covered. While the warranty remains in effect I will keep everything in place so that they are responsible for repairs. I agree with you that common sense options to turn the safety on or off should be available. But on the other side of the argument: have you seen some of the people out there?

 

[SidecarFlip]

I farm with mine, they aren't 'hobby tractors and thusly I don't want all the cost increasing junk anyway. I've seen my share of idiots in my 71 years. Idiots are everywhere, especially gullible ones.

I could not even comprehend of dealing with either of mine being sequestered at a dealer for weeks, waiting for some part like that. I need mine to be ready to go when I need them.

Once the warranty is kaput, if I were you, I'd be 'defeating' that stuff as necessary.

Sadly, we live in a society where the need to protect yourself from yourself has become the mantra of all mechanized equipment.

 

[unsquidly]

Oh, mine is under warranty and so everything is being covered. While the warranty remains in effect I will keep everything in place so that they are responsible for repairs. I agree with you that common sense options to turn the safety on or off should be available. But on the other side of the argument: have you seen some of the people out there?

The same reason that the put a warning on the packaging for fan belts that tell you not to try to install it with the engine running.....LOL

 

[SidecarFlip]

The same reason that the put a warning on the packaging for fan belts that tell you not to try to install it with the engine running.....LOL

Never seen that warning on a fan belt package. In fact, I've rarely seen a fan belt in ANY packaging.

 

[DukeA]

I have a new cx2510 as well and I’m having the same problem. I called my local dealership and they said have someone on the tractor and go through all the normal starting sequence, now take the igniton wire off of the starter solenoid and jump it to the hot wire of the solenoid, he said it bypasses all the safety switches and should fire up. I’ve done that and it cranks over but doesn’t run. I called back and they said it sounds like the seat safety switch. I took that apart at the quick connect and jumped it out with a wire to act as the switch is closed. Still no improvement. It kind of sounds like a similar issue but not exactly the same since jumped the seat switch out. I actually had this problem last weekend. I Let it sit for a day and it fired right up! I started and stoped it 10 times this week. I Start and stopped it 5 times this morning and then after disconnecting my backhoe attachment I’m having this issue again.
Any suggestions? Thanks

 

[FredM]

If your tractor is still in warranty, then this is a dealership problem, and I cannot follow what the dealer told you to do with removing this wire and touching that part, the moment you remove the ignition wire from the solenoid, there will be no power through the system, like the stop solenoid will not operate, so the engine cannot start.

Try this, remove the hot wire (the lighter wire) from the solenoid start post, this could have a spade or eyelet on the end, turn ignition on, tractor in neutral and using a remote starter switch or screw driver, bridge from battery voltage connection to starter hot wire connection on the solenoid, and the tractor should start, if it doesn't, check for voltage at the stop solenoid terminal.

 

[unsquidly]

I have a new cx2510 as well and I’m having the same problem. I called my local dealership and they said have someone on the tractor and go through all the normal starting sequence, now take the igniton wire off of the starter solenoid and jump it to the hot wire of the solenoid, he said it bypasses all the safety switches and should fire up. I’ve done that and it cranks over but doesn’t run. I called back and they said it sounds like the seat safety switch. I took that apart at the quick connect and jumped it out with a wire to act as the switch is closed. Still no improvement. It kind of sounds like a similar issue but not exactly the same since jumped the seat switch out. I actually had this problem last weekend. I Let it sit for a day and it fired right up! I started and stoped it 10 times this week. I Start and stopped it 5 times this morning and then after disconnecting my backhoe attachment I’m having this issue again.
Any suggestions? Thanks

Have you tried jumpering around the neutral safety switch? That is the first place I would start.... The reason I would start with this is with it being mounted on the transmission if it is bad it will open up when it gets hot then close once it is cool. The tractor will run fine if this happens once it is running but it will not restart until the switch closes again which it when it cools off.....I had the exact same problem with the 2017 Kioti CS2210 I had. Dealer changed the neutral safety switch and problem solved.....

 

[W E Kioti Super Genius?]

I have a new cx2510 as well and I’m having the same problem. I called my local dealership and they said have someone on the tractor and go through all the normal starting sequence, now take the igniton wire off of the starter solenoid and jump it to the hot wire of the solenoid, he said it bypasses all the safety switches and should fire up. I’ve done that and it cranks over but doesn’t run. I called back and they said it sounds like the seat safety switch. I took that apart at the quick connect and jumped it out with a wire to act as the switch is closed. Still no improvement. It kind of sounds like a similar issue but not exactly the same since jumped the seat switch out. I actually had this problem last weekend. I Let it sit for a day and it fired right up! I started and stoped it 10 times this week. I Start and stopped it 5 times this morning and then after disconnecting my backhoe attachment I’m having this issue again.
Any suggestions? Thanks

The jumper on the starter did not bypass the safety switches when I did mine. (My jumper wire, with a switch, goes from battery connection on the starter over to the solenoid.) In fact the the following was required while using the start jumper:

• The tractor had to be in neutral or the engine would turn over but never fire
• The clutch had to be pushed in (even though I have an HST) or it wouldn't turn over
• I had to be in the seat. Yes, even though the seat module is defective and won't allow it to start, I had to be in the seat to keep it running. I know that seems strange but that is what it takes to keep it going.

The dealer got the seat module in and I am making arrangements to get the tractor up to them to get it installed.