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Well Got the JBJr (Non-power dump, two rope) on Wednesday the 10th, (2 weeks to the day payment was made) installed with no problems on Thursday the 11th, and man does it work, I am impressed with the way it can move loose soil and gravel.

Just a note: the two bolt holes at the rear of the side brackets are already in the frame of the tractor but the right side holes in the frame are self tapping size and need to be drilled out to match the left side of the frame, This is on the 2003 GT5000. Take care drilling for there is an idler pulley in that area. I also mounted the lower rope holder shown to be drilled and mounted to the hood in the instructions to a separate bracket I made that bolts to the frame and comes out from under the hood and up, so as not to have to drill the hood.

I took a test run at the end of the old drive that has been grown over with grass for years and with my chisel plow to break up the ground it works great. It does ride up as expected if the bucket is raised to much, but I found when it starts to ride up I just stop back up to a flat area and set the bucket back down and take another run at it. I have also found if the ground it self rides up, I can put the bucket in the dump position and us it as a dozer blade to help get an area blunt enough to let the bucket bite in, so it takes some learning to get used to using it, but after a while I started to get the hang of it and man can it move some material. I have moved a path of earth between 7 and 8 feet wide (2 widths of the bucket), 4 to 6 inches deep, 21 feet long. And moved it to the front part of the drive to fill in the washed out areas in prep for new gravel

As long as one keeps in mind what needs to be done to get the bucket to work (ground prep) and do not get in a hurry it will do what it is designed to do, and do it well.

So far it has met every one of my expectations and operates just as I had figured from studying the Johnny Products web site and looking at the design of the bucket. The key is being able to make packed earth, loose, either with a tiller or some kind of plow before trying to use the bucket.

It got dark on me before I could get any photos so I will take some before I start up tomorrow.

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Bob,
Congratulations, I'm green with envy. To say that I'm very interested on all these J-B reports is an understatement, as I need one right away.
Were you aware that John Scheele has worked out a retro kit(gas springs) that'll put some down force on the bucket? I'm just wondering if he's putting out notices to owners 'cause it's not on his website yet. All I'm waiting on is a picture of this new feature. I want to order mine with this, plus the power dump.
Waiting for your pictures.
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What would normally mount in the frame holes that needed to be drilled out? Are these for plow or snow blower brackets? I agree with not wanting to drill holes in the hood and would like to see pictures when you can. Thanks for the report!
 

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I figure there different due to the proximity of the idler pulley under the tractor and also the bracket that holds it. the self-tapping holes on the right side are there so one does not need to get under and between the idler system with a wrench. I found that the bolts supplied could in fact be inserted with no problem with the idler. and what ever is designed to go there can be held with the JBJr bolt as well if needed.

Here are some photos I took of the rig today. the ropes are sagging due to the deck lift arm is forward.

<img src="http://www.peanutsplace.com/mgm/JBJR/myrig1.jpg"><br><p>

here is a shot of the bracket I fabricated so I would not have to drill the hood, it is painted primer at this time. You can also see the location of the two bolts at the rear of the side bracket just in front of the foot rest that had to have the holes in the frame drilled out larger.

<img src="http://www.peanutsplace.com/mgm/JBJR/myrig2.jpg"><br><p>

Here is how it attaches to the frame, I am going to add an angle brace from the bracket to the first bolt at the front top of the frame and add a second smaller bolt to the bottom of the vertical riser to stop pivoting in both directions.

<img src="http://www.peanutsplace.com/mgm/JBJR/myrig3.jpg"> <br><p>

Here is the location where I mounted the switch, I prefer this location and the two small holes needed to mount the switch will not cause any problems with rust on the plastic dash.

<img src="http://www.peanutsplace.com/mgm/JBJR/myrig4.jpg"><br><p>



Here is what I was able to do with it just learning to operate the bucket, again this is between 7 and 8 feet wide (2 widths of the bucket), 4 to 6 inches deep, 21 feet long.

<img src="http://www.peanutsplace.com/mgm/JBJR/drive1.jpg"><br><p>


This is where I put what I am removing in the back, filling in the places washed out over 20 years. this material I am removing in the back is 3/8-pea gravel/sand/clay mix laid down 20 years ago. I am removing it from the rear and moving it to the front to help fill the area and prep for new gravel. I am also prepping the rear drive area so I can dump the loads of gravel there and just move it to the front when needed, and once done the rear area will just need to be smoothed out. The piles off to the right side are grass I raked out of the material.

<img src="http://www.peanutsplace.com/mgm/JBJR/drive2.jpg"><br><p>

Just the little time I used the bucket told me it would do what I want it to do with no problem.
 

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Not bad at all. I have been waiting to hear "real" reviews about JB system. It will be at lease 2 years before I can look into geting one.
How High will the bucket lift? I am wondering how high I could pile material with a JB.
 

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Ropes, retrofits, drilling holes, primer paint. Reminds me of the old McCormick Deering, a Fresno plow, some baling twine to trip the dog, and primer paint to cover a freshly broken weld. Was it worth it under this scenerio? YES. You were doing something worthy with equipment built to do it.

JB's are look nice on GT's, but I wouldn't put one on even if it was given to me. The tractor is not meant for it. Simple as that.

You can think it's meant for it and play in an adult sand box thinking is meant for it, but at the end the day I'd rather use the tractor for what it's meant for and not stay up all night worrying whether the JB trip rope has the right knot on the end.

I work too hard for my money to throw it down the perpetual rat hole just to keep up with Cat D-12 wannabees that want to move mountains with a reinforced snow shovel.
 

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GT5000,
Or is it Deluxe 247? What a wonderful negative attitude, are you sticking your tongue in your cheek, or serious?
What is the tractor made for? Come to think of it, that's an interesting question. I wonder if the designer would crinch at putting the J-B Jr on this tractor? Personally, I don't like the ropes either, but I love the idea of having the J-B on my tractor. I suppose it wouldn't change your mind if you saw the model withOUT the ropes. It costs more, it has 2 winches.
 

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GT5000 here is a link to Kents site.. he did a review on Johnny buckets and seemed to get more that a sandbox worth of use out of it..

That said, maybe it would be easier to get a backhoe.. but if you want to get the most out of your tractor its a nice little addition...


simple tractors johnny bucket review
 

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My OPINION + Rational thought = Negative Opinion per Willie Nunez!

NOT!

Let's try this one more time. The JB is a well built and engineered unit. Got that? Many GT's are well built for what they were manufactured for. Got that? The JB belongs on a stonger tractor compared to most GT's. Got that? GT spindles are not made for JB's even though some experts on here swear the weight of the Sears snowblower and pushing required for the Sears snow/dozer blade proves the Sears GT frame and spindles can handle the JB. NOT! There's a big difference between pushing the snow blower and snow blade compare to the up and down and constant drive into the bank variables of a bucket. Simple as that.

It sounds as though some on the forum are earning a commission for JB's. That's fine. I'll never own one. They're not junk, it's just over time your tractor will turn to junk.
 

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I agree GT5000 and have often thought the same thing.They must be getting a commision.The way the JB gets prasied.Reminds me of those late night imfomercials.You know it is redicoulos but there are people with there claims.But then you think about the commision there also getting.Sort of comical really.Every so often there is a JB needs a volintier.Then someone brings up a name like Fred just an example over at JB and all the wonderful things he has created and this works great and all the hoop lah.Amasing how you can not sell or advertise but they are and get away with it.Not just here but other forum sights also.
 

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At first I was sure I wanted the JBJr for my craftsman because of the winch and the size of the bucket. Then I started thinking that my Bolens 1050 was a better choice because the tractor originally offered a Johnson FEL with full hydraulics as an option, so I felt the spindles, axle and steering was more heavy duty. The bolens JBJr also had power dump as an option and at the time the craftsman didn't. Now the only differences in the two buckets are size, the bolens bucket is narrower, but has the same weight rating, the winch on the craftsman but my bolens will soon have hydraulic lift with down pressure, and the mounting. The bolens bucket uses the same quick connect pins as every other attachment. I wasn't too crazy about the brackets for the craftsman as every front attachment needs different brackets and there is a lot involved in switching back and forth. Now that I hear you must drill out the threaded holes, I'm more disappointed in that setup. I'm thinking maybe if those bolts aren't checked often the bracket may wear oval shapes to those holes. So now it looks like I'll get the one for my bolens although I'll have to find a way to mount the switch for the power dump without drilling my dash. I also do agree with you about the weight being different. I was one of the first to say "the snowblower weighs more and it's not bending anything" but the more I thought it over the more I realized that the blower is usually down and being pushed (slid) across packed snow or at least a somewhat slippery surface, the bucket however will be raised and lowered repeatedly and driven weighted in the up position bouncing around on less than smooth surfaces. Now I realize my situation is different as I have two choices and if I only had the craftsman I would get the bucket for that anyway, but I would tend to worry about it a little more and maybe even baby it. And as you can see in my avatar pic the bolens is super clean and not some old beater but after 37yrs still strong. Just keep in mind people get real excited about new toys and if used with common sense they will work out fine I think. You need to remember when you were a kid and got an idea for a new toy and ran home only to hear "what do want that for" as adults nobody wants to hear it either although it should be considered at least in how hard you use it. I'm sure it will work well for general around the yard chores, but like you said a CAT it's not.
 

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I agree GT5000 and have often thought the same thing.They must be getting a commision.The way the JB gets prasied.Reminds me of those late night imfomercials.You know it is redicoulos but there are people with there claims.But then you think about the commision there also getting.Sort of comical really.Every so often there is a JB needs a volintier.Then someone brings up a name like Fred just an example over at JB and all the wonderful things he has created and this works great and all the hoop lah.Amasing how you can not sell or advertise but they are and get away with it.Not just here but other forum sights also.


:dazed: :dazed: :dazed: Well that one way of thinking :dazed: :dazed: :dazed:

Another might be that the reason why people speak so highly of the
Johnny Bucket product and their people is because they perform so well.
But you would have to have a brain to come to that conclusion.
 

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Well I come back and what do I find a couple of doom and gloomers stinking up the works, well every body has there own opinion but the stupid name calling from GT5000 is totally uncalled for, OK here is the bottom line, I don’t give a rats behind what you two goof balls think of me or what I do. GOT THAT?

I am just passing on what I have done with the bucket and the issues I ran into and the way I worked around them and that is all. This is an on going review and if you boys do not like the truth that is just too bad. When I have a problem with the bucket or tractor I have no problem letting every body know, I came back here to report on an issue I had only to find this crap going on.

I have already snapped the cable once lifting it to far pulling on the bucket after it was all the way up, this does not happen all at once but rather over time if one keeps doing it, but this is not a problem with the bucket or the tractor, it is operator error.

The Work around is: A good pair of side cutters can nip the cable back and a couple of good cable clamps and 10 minutes later it is back in operation no big deal. If you want to keep working and not have to run to get clamps pick some up now and have them ready there is 25 feet of cable on the spool, and more at any good hardware store.

JBJr + GT5000 tractor + chisel plow + know how and time = an area 45 feet long and 8 feet wide and 4 inches deep ready for gravel, soon to be another 24 feet add to that. The manual shift GT5000 is handling the work just fine. Keep things greased on the front and there will not be a problem.

So if you guys do not want the truth about this JBJr and the issues with it and the tractor, I will stop now and keep it to my self and just let the rest of the doom and gloomers have it. It is up to ya'll let me know...

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Thanks MGM for the pictures and any and all updates its good to hear from someone that has one on how it works now and in the future.:thumbsup:
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I hope you don't mean me. I was one of the first to sing the praises of the JBJr and have emailed John Scheele about it on numerous occasions. I think it's a great attachment if used for what it was designed for. My problem is I have too many choices and can't decide, but I'm definately getting one. The only thing slowing me down is every time I decide on one something changes. First, I wanted the bolens because it offered power dump and the craftsman one didn't. That seemed easy enough. Then I found out the craftsman had a winch, then I wanted that one. But then no power dump. Then they added power dump so then I wanted that one since it's bigger but it didn't have down pressure. Then I got the hydraulic setup for my bolens so figured with the easier mounting and the down pressure I'd get the bolens one, and then I find they are making a way to get down pressure on the craftsman and on the craftsman I could use two attachments at the same time, great advantage. Just when I thought that's what I was going to get you mention having to drill out the holes. I know that's really not a big deal but it would mount much easier on my bolens. I really do appreciate your report and look forward to hearing more. Please if I ask a question don't think I'm trying to rain on your parade I'm just trying to benefit from your experience and use your experience in making my decision. Is there any way to limit the upward travel so the cable wouldn't break? Or is it just something you need to get a feel for? Thanks
 

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Originally posted by MGM
Well I come back and what do I find a couple of doom and gloomers stinking up the works, well every body has there own opinion but the stupid name calling from GT5000 is totally uncalled for, OK here is the bottom line, I don’t give a rats behind what you two goof balls think of me or what I do. GOT THAT?

I am just passing on what I have done with the bucket and the issues I ran into and the way I worked around them and that is all. This is an on going review and if you boys do not like the truth that is just too bad. When I have a problem with the bucket or tractor I have no problem letting every body know, I came back here to report on an issue I had only to find this crap going on.

I have already snapped the cable once lifting it to far pulling on the bucket after it was all the way up, this does not happen all at once but rather over time if one keeps doing it, but this is not a problem with the bucket or the tractor, it is operator error.

The Work around is: A good pair of side cutters can nip the cable back and a couple of good cable clamps and 10 minutes later it is back in operation no big deal. If you want to keep working and not have to run to get clamps pick some up now and have them ready there is 25 feet of cable on the spool, and more at any good hardware store.

JBJr + GT5000 tractor + chisel plow + know how and time = an area 45 feet long and 8 feet wide and 4 inches deep ready for gravel, soon to be another 24 feet add to that. The manual shift GT5000 is handling the work just fine. Keep things greased on the front and there will not be a problem.

So if you guys do not want the truth about this JBJr and the issues with it and the tractor, I will stop now and keep it to my self and just let the rest of the doom and gloomers have it. It is up to ya'll let me know...

Bob



I for one, am very interested in your observations. So thanks.
 

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johndeere and GT5000,
When I first came onto the GW forum, I was told, in so many words, that if you don't own the product your opinion is not worth much(if anything). I never agreed with this. So, I respect your opinion.
However, now that the Johnny Bucket is available with power dump plus a new feature which puts down force on it, I think I'll go ahead and order one. I'll be the one to become the expert on it. Obviously, I think it's more than a wheelbarrow, or toy. I actually have a lot of work to do with it. I should have it, and working, in about 20 days. Also, I believe my front spindles are plenty strong enough for this task. We'll see.
 

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MGM - Good review and good commentary. The pics were great too. If I didn't have a tractor with a bucket on it, I might consider a JohnnyBucket. As you stated when you first started out with it, one needs to take it slow. Looks like it did a hell of a nice job for you.

Please don't take the commentary of the naysayers to seriously or let it inhibit you from giving your testimonial. If they don't like the JB, they shouldn't buy one. I for one appreciate the perspectives and reviews, good or bad, from people who have purchased the product and tried it on their own. I'm sure the majority of the forum agrees on this.
 

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"johndeere and GT5000,
When I first came onto the GW forum, I was told, in so many words, that if you don't own the product your opinion is not worth much(if anything)."






Willie,

How quickly they forget.
 
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