[Paulo77]

Hi, I'm new here. I'm from Czech Republic. Ford 3000 from 66 'came to me. was in a very bad condition. yesterday I found that there is a hole in the bottom of the cylinder, caused by the poor condition of the coolant and the subsequent cavitation. the walls of the cylinder will be in poor condition. Is it possible to install wet sleeves? did anyone do it? Thanks for the reply and I apologize for Google English.

 

[Cvans]

Welcome here.
My concern is if the engine block is in that bad of condition in that cylinder, the rest of the block is probably in poor condition also. I would check it over very carefully before putting any money into it.
It might be better to find another used engine somewhere.

 

[Paulo77]

thank you for the answer, the problem is that there are not many used parts for these tractors in Europe

 

[Ultradog]

It is a common occurrence to get cavitation in those 3 cylinder Ford blocks if the proper coolant conditioner is not used.
The approved repair is not a wet sleeve but a dry sleeve. A machine shop will bore the block then press in dry sleeves then finish bore (or hone) the bores to factory specs.
I have a 4000 engine that I had to have sleeved.
I suspect it will run many thousands of hours.
Too bad you are so far away. I have a set of new pistons - with pins and rings that I would sell cheaply.

 

[Paulo77]

yes, dry sleeves are also available in the Czech Republic, but my mechanic, who specializes in engine repairs, told me that the hole is located on the lower edge of the liner and the coolant will not hold it and will flow back into the oil.

 

[Paulo77]

Hello, please have anyone at least take a photo of how big a hole is able to keep the dry sleeve?

 

[Ultradog]

I don't have a photo.
I would think you could use an epoxy sleeve retainer. I don't know much about process but know on some engines the sleeves have to be glued in.

 

[Paulo77]

thanks for the anwers. after a long search, I finally found one new block in Germany. it is definitely from a newer production. I have a question. will components from an older engine fit into it? it's mainly about the engine head. In my opinion, among other oil filters, there should be no difference, but you are experts.

 

[Paulo77]

https://m.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-a...-ford-2000-3000-2600-3600/1493158754-276-2638

 

[Paulo77]

This Is my motor

 

[Ultradog]

thanks for the anwers. after a long search, I finally found one new block in Germany. it is definitely from a newer production. I have a question. will components from an older engine fit into it? it's mainly about the engine head. In my opinion, among other oil filters, there should be no difference, but you are experts.

Ford used that same 4.2" bore block to build the 158 and 175 cubic inch engines.
158 ci = 4.2x3.8 "
175 ci = 4.2x4.2"
There were some changes to the blocks along the way. Press-in soft plugs instead of screw in type, oil filter type and about 1972? they changed the lifters/push rods to a newer style but the cams remained the same. Later yet (1983) they added the X bracing to them.
You can put all your guts into a newer block and be fine.
I am running 1985 guts ( crank, cam, lifters and push rods )in a 1966 block.
PS, you could also put your 4.2 guts into a 4.4 block and get a 192 ci engine (4.4x4.2) Ford made that size too.
I ran a 201 gas engine (4.4x4.4) in my own 3000 for a few years till I switched the tractor to a 175 diesel.
It had lots of power

 

[Hacke]

https://m.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-a...-ford-2000-3000-2600-3600/1493158754-276-2638

Looking at the hole pattern for the cylinder head, I think that is a 4.4" bore block. If so, it is most certainly a BSD333 block with 4.4" stroke, and it is of the newer cross hatch (waffle) type. That means that you need a lot of new parts inside to make it work. You also need another injection pump (or have the old one rebult) and other injectors.
Ask the seller what the bores are.

You might go for a short motor BSD333:
https://www.agrilineproducts.com/ford-fordson-short-motor-bsd333-7828
but parts add up; Bolt sets, oil pump (if not included), injection pump. injectors...

Send an email to these guys:
https://www.timik.co.uk/index.html
and ask if they can get you a proper block.
If money is not the issue, they have remanufactured engines, plug and play:
https://www.timik.co.uk/ford-3-cylinder-tractor-engines.html

Other companies that maybe can help you:
https://www.emmarkuk.com/
https://histoparts.com/en
https://old20tractorparts.com/
https://www.schlepper-teile.de/de/index.pmode

 

[Paulo77]

Poslal jsem prodejci otázku ohledně otvoru válce. pokud by to bylo 4,2 ", dalo by se všechno použít ze starého motoru? nebo existují rozdíly v hlavě tohoto novějšího bloku?

 

[Ultradog]

Looking at the hole pattern for the cylinder head, I think that is a 4.4" bore block. If so, it is most certainly a BSD333 block with 4.4" stroke, and it is of the newer cross hatch (waffle) type. That means that you need a lot of new parts inside to make it work. You also need another injection pump (or have the old one rebult) and other injectors.
Ask the seller what the bores are.

You might go for a short motor BSD333:
https://www.agrilineproducts.com/ford-fordson-short-motor-bsd333-7828
but parts add up; Bolt sets, oil pump (if not included), injection pump. injectors...

Send an email to these guys:
https://www.timik.co.uk/index.html
and ask if they can get you a proper block.
If money is not the issue, they have remanufactured engines, plug and play:
https://www.timik.co.uk/ford-3-cylinder-tractor-engines.html

Other companies that maybe can help you:
https://www.emmarkuk.com/
https://histoparts.com/en
https://old20tractorparts.com/
https://www.schlepper-teile.de/de/index.pmode

Hacke,
If that red bock on ebay is a 4.2 it will work for him. I am running just the opposite.
I have all the internals from a BSD 201 running in a 1966 201 gas block.
If you can go one way (new parts in an old block)
You you can go the reverse (old parts in a new block.

 

[Paulo77]

You have right it Is 4,4" bore. So what Now. dealings with the UK are now very complicated.

 

[Ultradog]

Poslal jsem prodejci otázku ohledně otvoru válce. pokud by to bylo 4,2 ", dalo by se všechno použít ze starého motoru? nebo existují rozdíly v hlavě tohoto novějšího bloku?

I sent the seller a question about the cylinder bore. if it was 4.2 ", could everything be used from the old engine? or are there differences in the head of this newer block? from Czech

Yes. Your old parts will work in that block if it is a 4.2 bore. The one thing you need to check is the head bolts. Some time after 1983 Ford changed the head bolts to a larger size. (1/2" to 9/16") so that is something you need to consider.

 

[Hacke]

You have right it Is 4,4" bore. So what Now. dealings with the UK are now very complicated.

That is a bummer.

Yes, I know how complicated it is nowadays to buy from the UK (I am in Sweden). Perhaps the UK companys can give you some advice, at least?
Try the Dutch and German sites I linked to:
https://histoparts.com/en
https://www.schlepper-teile.de/de/index.pmode

Maybe this Irish company can help:
https://tractorspares.ie/

Poland:
http://www.stelmax.slask.com.pl/s5-kontakt.html

Denmark:
http://veterantraktordele.dk/page.asp?PageID=51
[email protected]

Sweden:
https://tktraktordelar.se/en/

 

[Hacke]

Just thinking, perhaps there are 4.2" sleeves for 4.4" bored blocks?
This one has unfortunately 1 mm smaller Outer Diamleter than 4.4":
https://www.agrilineproducts.com/ford-fordson-liner-parallel-semi-finished-7412

 

[Paulo77]

Thanks for the links. I wrote questions to the sellers. quite an interesting option would be as ultradog wrote. 4.4 "x4.2".

 

[Hacke]

Thanks for the links. I wrote questions to the sellers. quite an interesting option would be as ultradog wrote. 4.4 "x4.2".

Apart from new pistons, you would need a fitting fuel system. Parts add up.