I bought a super 77 a few years back. I took the carb and sediment bowl off as it was full of jelled gas and let it set out behind the buildings up at the farm. I loaded it up and brought it to my shop at the house last week. I hooked up a battery and while grinding away with the starter I shot starting fluid into the manifold and she started up. I just cleaned out the gas tank and rebuilt a carb today and as soon as I can pick up the fittings to put togather a gas line, I will fire it up with real fuel.
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The oil is like transmission grease so I want to change the oil first. The estate I bought six tractors and this being one of them told me that it had not been used for several years but could not tell me why. I am not holding my breath for a running tractor with out needing an overhaul. I will except it though if it happens. If it needs an overhaul I will make a puller out of it.
YT must be down??
YT must be down??
I rebuilt the carb and put on a new gas line. Drained the oil out of the pan or rather drained the grease out of the pan. It ran out thicker than transmission grease. I put a coupla gallons of gas in the gas tank then I put a gallon or so of diesel fuel in the crankcase and started her up for a few minutes to try to thin out the crud in the lines. I put in new SAE 30 weight oil but didn't change the filter. The alternator was froze up so I swaped it with another one that I had laying around. Started her up and adjusted out the carb. Some smoke but no miss and it still has the old many year old plugs in. I can not detect a knock on the crankshaft but after two hours of running it is easy to tell it is not getting the valve train lubed. The tappets clatter to beat the band. The power takeoff runs anytime the engine turns over and leaks oil out the rear seal. I will take the valve cover off in the morning and blow back thru the oil line feeding the valve train. Setting as many years as it has and the oil as thich as it was I am sure I will find the lines solid cruddy grease.
I will get up in the seat tomorrow and check out the gears. I might even have a tractor when I am done. I will get some pictures tomorrow as well so yall can see the old duffer Oliver.
I will get up in the seat tomorrow and check out the gears. I might even have a tractor when I am done. I will get some pictures tomorrow as well so yall can see the old duffer Oliver.
Yup, I have a gallon can with an outlett soldered in the bottom with a hose on it for a quick try with real gas if the tank is in bad shape. This tank is in good condition. I used the staring fluid before I put a carb on it.
Took the hood and valver cover off the super 77 this morning. started her up and no oil was bubbling out the top of the rocker arms. I removed the oil line that feeds the rocker arm assembly and oil was just oosing out. I dumped a gallon of diesel in the crankcase and in about two minutes the oil started to run out. I got a brain storm and grabbed the jug of Sea Wash and poured in a quart to see what would happen. I put the oil line back on when the oil mixture started to squirt out about an inch from the line. At idle there is no oil bubbling out the front three rocker arms, at a quarter throttle oil is now bubbling out all rocker arms. The engine has been running about two hours and has quited down some. I am going to drain the mixture out and put in new oin again and see what happens. It probly has bd bearings or bad oil pump. I am just playing around with it, I plan on rebuilding the engine next spring. I have way too many winter projects at this time.
Took the hood and valver cover off the super 77 this morning. started her up and no oil was bubbling out the top of the rocker arms. I removed the oil line that feeds the rocker arm assembly and oil was just oosing out. I dumped a gallon of diesel in the crankcase and in about two minutes the oil started to run out. I got a brain storm and grabbed the jug of Sea Wash and poured in a quart to see what would happen. I put the oil line back on when the oil mixture started to squirt out about an inch from the line. At idle there is no oil bubbling out the front three rocker arms, at a quarter throttle oil is now bubbling out all rocker arms. The engine has been running about two hours and has quited down some. I am going to drain the mixture out and put in new oin again and see what happens. It probly has bd bearings or bad oil pump. I am just playing around with it, I plan on rebuilding the engine next spring. I have way too many winter projects at this time.
Dick,
Is there any reason tractor people can't use ATF (10% by volume works pretty well) to clean out some of the crud? I had a hydraulic lifter happily tapping away in a Plymouth automobile I used to have, and within 60 seconds of a mechanic friend adding a 1/2 quart of ATF, there was no more tapping. He claimed it was VERY high in detergent, but that the lack of suitable lubricating qualitys make it unusable as a lubricant in engines. I've used it off and on over the years to quieten a valve train, never seen any evidence that any damage was done. I DON'T add it with each oil change, BTW; just put a little in if I think it's needed.
Is there any reason tractor people can't use ATF (10% by volume works pretty well) to clean out some of the crud? I had a hydraulic lifter happily tapping away in a Plymouth automobile I used to have, and within 60 seconds of a mechanic friend adding a 1/2 quart of ATF, there was no more tapping. He claimed it was VERY high in detergent, but that the lack of suitable lubricating qualitys make it unusable as a lubricant in engines. I've used it off and on over the years to quieten a valve train, never seen any evidence that any damage was done. I DON'T add it with each oil change, BTW; just put a little in if I think it's needed.
Martie,
Transmission fluid will do well in hydraulic lifters as they stick collapsed and leave a gap between the rocker arm and valve stem end which makes the noise. These old tractors do not have hydraulic lifters and the noise comes from eather a lack of lubrication and or to large of a gap between the rocker arm and valve stem. Transmission fluid can be added to the gas for extra valve lube and a cleaner without harm. It is a good injector cleaner for fuel injected cars as well.
I use diesel fuel for upper lube in my large gas tractors when working them hard. About a quart to the tank of gas.
Transmission fluid will do well in hydraulic lifters as they stick collapsed and leave a gap between the rocker arm and valve stem end which makes the noise. These old tractors do not have hydraulic lifters and the noise comes from eather a lack of lubrication and or to large of a gap between the rocker arm and valve stem. Transmission fluid can be added to the gas for extra valve lube and a cleaner without harm. It is a good injector cleaner for fuel injected cars as well.
I use diesel fuel for upper lube in my large gas tractors when working them hard. About a quart to the tank of gas.
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Dick,
Your Super 77 ain't ugly to my eye. You have a fine looking machine there and I've seen a lot worse brought back to their glory. When I was a wee lad and folks still farmed in north NJ (1956-1966 or Pre-Condos), my neighbor had an Oliver among his stable. That was his plowing tractor, as it had more power than his others. I can still remember the distinctive sound it made, different from his other machines. sort of smooth and deep throated. At this point in time, I can't tell you what model it was, but it was the only one around for miles. Everyone else had IH or Deeres. Looking at your photos today reminded me of Mr Bundt's tractor. He is STILL farming his patch of ground at age 71? but the Oliver is gone.
Your Super 77 ain't ugly to my eye. You have a fine looking machine there and I've seen a lot worse brought back to their glory. When I was a wee lad and folks still farmed in north NJ (1956-1966 or Pre-Condos), my neighbor had an Oliver among his stable. That was his plowing tractor, as it had more power than his others. I can still remember the distinctive sound it made, different from his other machines. sort of smooth and deep throated. At this point in time, I can't tell you what model it was, but it was the only one around for miles. Everyone else had IH or Deeres. Looking at your photos today reminded me of Mr Bundt's tractor. He is STILL farming his patch of ground at age 71? but the Oliver is gone.
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One problem with the internet. You have NO IDEA how old the person is your talking to. [I remember thinking 40 was old. Now that I am almost there, it seems a little younger
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Absolutely no offense taken Dick. I'm 47 and maybe last year or so I FINALLY figured out that I DIDN"T know everything and should have listened more to my elders over the years. It would have saved me a few headaches. Why I marvel at Mr. Bundt still farming is that with land prices being what they are in NW New Jersey ($125,000 per acre), he could have subdivided the farm and retired a millionaire years ago. He did give up the dairy operation and now just raises beef. Less work that way and he and his lovely wife can finally go away for a day or 2 without finding someone to milk the cows. I've heard a dairy farm is much like a minimum security prison. The farmer is there EVERY day with no end to the work. Hopefully the food is better though:smiles:
Farmers that truly enjoy what they do never really retire. How can you retire from your favourite hobby? It's like an addiction, I know I'm hooked!
Money really isn't a motivating factor or they would never have been farmers in the first place!!
Dick, I don't think your tractor's ugly either, lots of potential there!! The tin I could see looked good and straight, rust is what sand blasters were made for!!
Money really isn't a motivating factor or they would never have been farmers in the first place!!
Dick, I don't think your tractor's ugly either, lots of potential there!! The tin I could see looked good and straight, rust is what sand blasters were made for!!
I drove the old girl around a little this afternoon after regaping the tapits. The gears all seem fine. The brakes are froze and the pedal will not move. I took the antifreeze down to -22 F so I will put the hood back on tomorrow and set it out with the rest of the Olivers till spring.
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