[DavJ82]

Hello please help if you can.
I have a 2007 CK2500 I was driving it and ran out of fuel I was only 1/10 of a mile from my home and had a truck with me so we just through a strap on an towed it home. it sat for a month before I tried to crank it and it would not start. We did all the things needed when running a diesel out of fuel but it would not crank and would run the battery down real fast. My buddy a a diesel truck mechanic worked on it and could not get it cranked. He found that the starter was dragging he burned up the first one before finding this out, so he talks to someone that is suppose to know more about these tractors and they tell him that by towing the tractor we caused damage to the trans and that now the starter was trying turn both the engine and the trans..? He stated the tractor would have to have trans work to fix a blown seal...? or something? None of it makes since to me it was in N when we towed it.

 

[unsquidly]

Hello please help if you can.
I have a 2007 CK2500 I was driving it and ran out of fuel I was only 1/10 of a mile from my home and had a truck with me so we just through a strap on an towed it home. it sat for a month before I tried to crank it and it would not start. We did all the things needed when running a diesel out of fuel but it would not crank and would run the battery down real fast. My buddy a a diesel truck mechanic worked on it and could not get it cranked. He found that the starter was dragging he burned up the first one before finding this out, so he talks to someone that is suppose to know more about these tractors and they tell him that by towing the tractor we caused damage to the trans and that now the starter was trying turn both the engine and the trans..? He stated the tractor would have to have trans work to fix a blown seal...? or something? None of it makes since to me it was in N when we towed it.

Is this tractor HST or gear drive?

 

[DavJ82]

Is this tractor HST or gear drive?

HST sorry I should have stated that, it is also 4x4.

 

[theduke]

How far you tow it and how fast?

 

[JGreene]

I've never heard a good thing about flat towing anything with a 4x4 transmission even in neutral....but I am no mechanic either...

 

[theduke]

its generally a no no

Why riding mowers have a dissengage lever.

I would see what your manual says.......if warentee is long gone...perhaps homeowner ins is a option.
not that thats the answer but you won't know if you don't ask.

As to just getting it running........pull the driveline to transmission.

I sense there is going to be more to this story......

If you were towing 20mph.....exspect an issue.


a quick google says for The other orange......N ,take out of 4x4 do not exceed 6.2 mph........short distance only.

You sure it was in ...N ?

 

[JGreene]

The disengage lever on a small riding mower is so a human being can push it a very short distance or tow it enough to get it unstuck. Towing it, disengaged, faster than the top speed it can operate with the motor engaged will still strip the diff and possibly damage the transmission as well. Mowers are not designed to be towed any notable distance. Even unsticking it is recommended to be done no more than 20-30ft. Although pushing it by hand or I suppose towing it at approximate walking speeds of 3-6mph may be workable as well. My father was known for destroying the things towing them 'just a block'...and that was just a simple mower. Tractors are far more complex and even in. Neutral are not fully disengaged, especially in 4x4 mode

 

[LouNY]

When a range gearbox is in neutral it is in neutral.
For the OP if the engine is cranking over, verify that the fuel system is bleed and you are getting fuel to the injection pump.
Then crack the lines to the injectors and crank till you get fuel leaking out of the lines. If you do not get fuel
to the injector lines your fuel shutoff is likely stuck closed or not getting the command to allow fuel.

 

[FredM]

It would be interesting to see a transmission breakdown of this tractor just to see the drive system, the fact it is a HST, then it should not have been towed, if this had of been a full mechanical transmission, then the OP would have got away with it, and if it has 4WD, then that would make no difference to the towing as the gears and driveline in the 4WD are self lubricating, and being in neutral would have no effect on the main transmission, different story with the HST which works under hydraulic pressure and which also lubes the pump and drive component.

 

[DavJ82]

Thanks everyone for the reply's,

How far you tow it and how fast?
I towed it about 1/10 of a mile at the most about 5mph.

It would be interesting to see a transmission breakdown of this tractor just to see the drive system, the fact it is a HST, then it should not have been towed, if this had of been a full mechanical transmission, then the OP would have got away with it, and if it has 4WD, then that would make no difference to the towing as the gears and driveline in the 4WD are self lubricating, and being in neutral would have no effect on the main transmission, different story with the HST which works under hydraulic pressure and which also lubes the pump and drive component.

I am looking to take it to a repair shop and get a quote from them for the repairs.

Thanks,

 

[Tumblindown]

Thanks everyone for the reply's,



I am looking to take it to a repair shop and get a quote from them for the repairs.

Thanks,

Keep us posted. I've not heard of Tractors with an HST having problems being towed. But -- There's a lot of things I haven't heard of.

I'd bet a beer that it's a fueling problem somehow. If it turned over, it should have fired, transmission problem or no.

The starter? Probably just cranked it too much and burnt it up. Get it rebuilt if you need to.

 

[DavJ82]

Keep us posted. I've not heard of Tractors with an HST having problems being towed. But -- There's a lot of things I haven't heard of.

I'd bet a beer that it's a fueling problem somehow. If it turned over, it should have fired, transmission problem or no.

The starter? Probably just cranked it too much and burnt it up. Get it rebuilt if you need to.

I am only going off what my buddy told me at this point, But I do know the rear wheel was locked up when we tried to put it on a trailer, so something is messed up. I guess I could have two or more issues that all hppened at the same time... that would be my luck.
Thanks,

 

[Tumblindown]

I am only going off what my buddy told me at this point, But I do know the rear wheel was locked up when we tried to put it on a trailer, so something is messed up. I guess I could have two or more issues that all hppened at the same time... that would be my luck.
Thanks,

Yeah, I think when you pull them it causes the Transmission pump to run in reverse. Or something. Not sure.

But I'm also not sure that if you get the engine running that the pump might start running and unlock it. Don't know nothing about these things. Just a WAG, not even a sWAG.

Still think it's a fuel issue. I could be totally wrong though.

But it seems to me, that with tractors being what they are, breaking down, getting stuck, running out of fuel in the field, bad fuel, etc, etc that we would have heard about pulling the darn things being a no-no.

Maybe I need to get out more.

Good luck

 

[Vigo]

If the range shifter (high/low etc) was in neutral, its in neutral and you can tow it as fast as its own top speed with no issues. Past that, unknown.

Burning up starter, thinking it’s ‘dragging’ and battery running down quickly all suggest that the HST or perhaps PTO is trying to do something as you are cranking. If range shifter is in neutral you should be able to fire it up even WITH the hst trying to do something, but if it was in a range and with the parking brake on, it may slow the engine down enough that even though it is cranking it will never fire up. Does it sound slower than it used to? Does the PTO shaft have a brake on it?

Is there an engine driven hydraulic pump other than the hst?

 

[DavJ82]

If the range shifter (high/low etc) was in neutral, its in neutral and you can tow it as fast as its own top speed with no issues. Past that, unknown.

Burning up starter, thinking it’s ‘dragging’ and battery running down quickly all suggest that the HST or perhaps PTO is trying to do something as you are cranking. If range shifter is in neutral you should be able to fire it up even WITH the hst trying to do something, but if it was in a range and with the parking brake on, it may slow the engine down enough that even though it is cranking it will never fire up. Does it sound slower than it used to? Does the PTO shaft have a brake on it?

Is there an engine driven hydraulic pump other than the hst?

I am going to pick it up tomorrow, I will have to check it out and see what kinda mess it's in, knowing my buddy he probably quit working on it and left it in pieces... I am going by a repair shop with it as soon as I can. I'll update as I get info.

 

[kelley1]

The owners manual on my chevy pickup tells me to put the transmission (automatic) in park and the transfer case in neutral to tow it. I've pulled it many miles that way. However, somewhere through your thread you started calling it a tractor, so I guess I'm confused as to what we're dealing with here.

 

[Busted Tractor]

A hydrostatic transmission is basically a closed circuit hydraulic system. A variable displacement pump feeds a fixed displacement motor. Usually they then go to a gear transmission although they can be direct drive. Some have a disconnect so unit can be pushed or towed. Four wheel drive is usually taken off the transmission after the hydro, and is disconnect able
When a hydro is towed there are bad things that happen.
1. the hydro gets no lubrication. Lubrication is done by the input or a charge pump. No lubrication destroys transmission, as metal seals against meta.
2The motor forces oil into the pump, usually blowing the relief valve causing heat. also why a hydro doesn't push
3. towing too fast causes parts to spin too fast, which causes excessive wear and damage.

 

[HydroTek]

There is a lot of "guessing" going on here
The OP did not mention if the Range shifter was in Neutral or not -- need clarification on this point

if the shifter was in neutral, there should be no problems with the tractor, for that short distance

if the shifter was left in gear before towing, then the HST is toast -- but only on the motor side
that means the pump side should still turn freely, and the "dragging" problem is elsewhere

None of it makes since to me it was in N when we towed it.

@LouNY explained the procedure to bleed the fuel system, and in my experience these types of systems can be difficult to get the air out of -- especially for the inexperienced

 

[bernty]

Hello please help if you can.
I have a 2007 CK2500 I was driving it and ran out of fuel I was only 1/10 of a mile from my home and had a truck with me so we just through a strap on an towed it home. it sat for a month before I tried to crank it and it would not start. We did all the things needed when running a diesel out of fuel but it would not crank and would run the battery down real fast. My buddy a a diesel truck mechanic worked on it and could not get it cranked. He found that the starter was dragging he burned up the first one before finding this out, so he talks to someone that is suppose to know more about these tractors and they tell him that by towing the tractor we caused damage to the trans and that now the starter was trying turn both the engine and the trans..? He stated the tractor would have to have trans work to fix a blown seal...? or something? None of it makes since to me it was in N when we towed it.

Could be this: IP Removal

 

[bernty]

Could be this. I had a CK30. not sure yours use the same pump

IP Removal