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Now i am not really a hunter.. i love to fish but have never hunted..i know lots who do.. some are idiots who hunt to kill... many others (whom i have great respect for) are avid hunters...
Hunting for Deer with a bow to get a few extra weeks of hunting in.. and then by gun - if they did not get their deer..

im all for hunting for food... lots up here do it... but for me, personally.. id rather do my hunting at the grocery store..




Bear Baiting:

In maine they are in the process of outlawing bear baiting...

Bear baiting is where they put food out for weeks or months and let bears eat the food.. then upon hunting season.. they sit and wait for the bear to go eat its leftover donuts or whatever they bait with.. and they shoot it.

ive said before.. a hunter i am not, and it looks like the lower half of the state of maine is all for banning bear baiting... but lots of hunters and state and private organizations want this practice to continue..


So Bear baiting.. a form of hunting? or an easy way to get to kill a bear who just happens to be stopping for his daily feed??




link to a site against this form of hunting...
 

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not to sway anyones opinion.. but its sort of funny.. heres the pic the anti bear baiting site puts up...


could the cub be any cuter?

<img src=http://www.fairbearhunting.org/images/230_tiny_bl_bear_cub.JPG>
 

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Originally posted by parts man
John, when you fish do they come to you, or do you have to use some kind of BAIT???;)
Real fisherman put an empty wire hook in the water and wait for a fish to swim into it. :furious:

Mark
 

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Harvesting seems a more appropriate term. Just another way to control the bear population. But I wouldn't call it 'hunting'.

Isn't it illegal to bait deer most places?
 

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Originally posted by parts man
John, when you fish do they come to you, or do you have to use some kind of BAIT???;)
yeah... I fly fish, i use barb free hooks, and catch and release...


i dont chum the water every day for a month and then on one day net the feeding fish and pull them into the boat.



and i am all for controllling the bear population... but using a bear trap or getting a bunch of lazy bastards using their dogs to chase a bear up a tree and then pulling up with their ATV to shoot it does not really constitute hunting to me... just my opinion...
 

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To me, baiting is not hunting. At best it's the lazy man's hunting. I don't do it, and I never will. Of course I don't hunt bear either. Not too many of them in Indiana.
 

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I can understand the sentiments towards baiting but if one method of hunting is singled out; ALL forms and methods of hunting are suspect and vulnerable in the eyes of someone. That is a tactic advocates of gun control (read abolishon) use. Trying to eliminate or limit the entire practice would cause too much political backlash, so the tactic is to single out a small group and target them and once the goal is met, move onto the next larger group. This is how the anti-hunting groups operate. VERY few people hunt bear as they are extremely wary and dangerous game. About the only way to hunt them with any success is to used bait or dogs. The bear populations are growing and these bears are loosing their fear of humans just as the cougars are in CA.

This opens the door to the arguement of are decoys a form of baiting? What about deer estrous scents? Food plots? Bird dogs? Game calls?

The point is that the land cannot sustain nearly 300 million Amercians and not have some conflict with wildlife populations in this day and age. Wildlife populations must therefore be managed and hunting is a form of management.

I personally don't hunt bear or like the idea of baiting but it is a matter summed up best by Ben Franklin, "We must all hang together or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
 

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You can just drop a bare hook in my pond and a bream will swallow it in a heatbeat..........but using bait is much better. Not to gross out the ones that are for ethical treatment of critters, but the first bream I get, I hook it in the eyeball and pluck it out and use bream eyes for all mybait. Bass nail them, Catfish nail them, and its always easy to get more "bait"

Just this moring I was out on my pond fishing and caught two nice Florida Hybrid bass. One was a touch ove 5 pounds the other was 8 1/2 pounds. Also caught a heap of smaller 3/4 to 1 pounders as well. I carried them to another persons pond and released them there. All bream I catch get tossed into the garden no matter what their size is. Any small bass goes into a floating fish cage, which I empty into a couple of buckets fromtime to time and also cart them to my friends pond. I get minnow traps full of minnows, and they also add to the gardens rich soil...Nothing gets tossed back if its caught in my pond. My goal is to trap, hook, net, all fish in the pond and eradicate any bream, catfish and bass that may be in there, as its going to be just Koi and goldfish.No interest in game type fish. I just may put a couple of sheets of plywood or OSB around my enclosure I have in it with the koi and dynamite it again later this year. The plywood will shield the koi in that section from the shockwaves from the dynamite.

Anyone wanting to fish is welcome to it in my pond..........and I am very tolerant on my fishing policy.....No fish is too small to keep, and no fish can be thrown back into the pond once caught. Any method of fishing is fine....gill nets, cast nets, spear guns you name it....

I routinely spend a couple of minutes throwing out a cast net and quit when I get a 5 gal bucket full of fish.........Right now I have a 100 foot long by 10 foot deep gill net with dual mesh of 1 1/4" and 2" mesh strung across the pond. Also have another of 3/8" to 1" m,esh openings I'll use once most of the trash etc gets removed from the pond as its a lightweight mono is is easy to tear. So hopefully I can virtually eliminate or at least put one hell of a dent in the game fish population in my pond. Since its a private pond and I paid for its constructin and stocking, I do not fall under any state laws regarding my methods of harvest!
 

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Originally posted by AlbanyBob
:pencil sm

Well For me I hunt only one thing and that is 2 legged beaver :lmao:

And as for fishing I only fish in the super market where it is not so lively and much easier to hold on to when it is frozen.

:captain:

Bob
Wow! Your certainly an adventurous individual. The Two-legged beaver is among the worlds most dangerous game. They have been know to bite a fellow in more ways than one, in a heart beat and inflict some pretty severe damages to them. :D
 

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Originally posted by Chipmaker
. The Two-legged beaver is among the worlds most dangerous game. They have been know to bite a fellow in more ways than one, in a heart beat and inflict some pretty severe damages to them. :D

Oh but Chipper, they are also some of the best tasteing big game going, those two legged beaver types. Yes they are:furious:
 

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Up my ways we refer to it as Kitty Cat.:cat:
Either ways ya call it makes good eatin!
If ya ain't tried it ya don't know what ya been missing.....

:homereat: :cat: :loveit:

Talk about a tread getting hijacked! Wasn't my doing but had to(couldn't help) join in. Wish the politcal tread was sooooo easy to hijack. Some things have greater priority. A little humor does the heart good.
I expect chief to say "keep it clean" guys any minute.

:night: :usaflag:
 

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John, I don't get to hunt a lot, and baiting isn't my game either, but I don't figure I should tell others they can't.exercisewa
 
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