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08-24-2010, 11:55 PM
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Trouble starting 8N
Hi everyone. Names Bill , am working on my late dad's 8n. It will only run if I hold down the starter button , which I know is rough on the starter ,,,,,but just wanted to see if a hunch was right , cause when I let off the starter button , she just dies. Could it be the cut off , which is above the solenoid ?
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08-28-2010, 12:09 AM
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ENGLISH SPRINGER SPANIELS
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Not sure if it has one on it or not, but it could be the starter ballast too. If it was converted to 12 volt that is. The starter ballast, if present, hits the ignition with 12 volts then drops to 6 volts after you let off the starter. Who knows, biut I thought I'd put that out there. If the tractor is still 6 volt, then it's something else.
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08-28-2010, 06:37 AM
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Thank you tractor beam , but it is still 6 volt. I work with a young man that suggested it could be a solenoid wire. So would like to actually find a wiring diagram for it. My brother replaced the solenoid , not me. He could have the wire that goes up to the resistor on the wrong side. It's got to be in the electrical , that much is for sure.
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08-28-2010, 09:43 AM
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Ballast resistors didn't hit the scene until the invent of 12V systems. Back in the 6V days, it was fairly common to find + (positive) ground. Not sure of Ford ever did that.
What kind of work has been done/repairs to the tractor since the last time is ran properly? I'd focus in that area for the problem. Not familiar with the tractor but would think wiring should be fairly simple. Shouldn't be much more complex than wire between ign switch and coil & coil to points.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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08-28-2010, 12:10 PM
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It is a 6 volt with positive ground. You are correct in what you are referring too , Mickey . I restored and rewired this tractor for my dad , I'd say about 8 years ago and much of the system has become vague at best since then. I had a diagram for the electrical system back then and have since lost track of it. My brother has ownership of it now since dad's passing , he raises some horses and raises hey for them so the tractor would be handy. It's been setting in the woods for a few years since I'd restored it , and there's alot of clean up detail to do now. I will figure it out again one way or another ,,,,like riding a bicycle LOL .
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08-28-2010, 12:13 PM
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Oh btw , if memory does serve me right the resistor I was speaking of before is actually called a full wave rectifier ,,,, maybe. Or I am confusing it with something else I've worked on in the past. None the less I will figure it out and the webs in my mind will clear yet.
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08-28-2010, 02:31 PM
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ENGLISH SPRINGER SPANIELS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey
Ballast resistors didn't hit the scene until the invent of 12V systems. Back in the 6V days, it was fairly common to find + (positive) ground. Not sure of Ford ever did that.
What kind of work has been done/repairs to the tractor since the last time is ran properly? I'd focus in that area for the problem. Not familiar with the tractor but would think wiring should be fairly simple. Shouldn't be much more complex than wire between ign switch and coil & coil to points.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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I know. Just thought that maybe it had been converted to 12 volt and a ballast resister added, as the symtom sounded like an experience I once had with a 1958 Ford truck. Just suggestilizing.
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08-30-2010, 08:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dadsold8n
Oh btw , if memory does serve me right the resistor I was speaking of before is actually called a full wave rectifier ,,,, maybe. Or I am confusing it with something else I've worked on in the past. None the less I will figure it out and the webs in my mind will clear yet.
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Full wave rectifier is for converting AC to DC. Can't think of a reason why the old Ford would have one.
When you get working on it, when you run into problems, give us a shout and we'll see what kind of help we can offer.
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08-31-2010, 09:03 AM
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RICK THE PLUMBER
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I would buy a new wiring harnes, if it has been sitting outside I bet varmets have chewed a wire some where. I have no patience for tracing wiring problems. Harneses are prety cheap. I hate splices, if you do splice I would recomend soldering all splices and use the same color and guage wire. Good luck.
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