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Durwood · 01-21-2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by mark777
Durwood,

I'm afraid it's right off the shelf colors. They have about 20 different ones.

I just got off the phone (and e-mail) with a gentleman named David Nash. He is the main man from technical support from Valspar. My questions were the same as yours and wanted to know if toners and mixing machines were available. I also asked about clear coat and U.V. screeners concerning long exposures to sun light.

Answers: no, no and no. He did provide me with information about tip and needle sizes, ambient temperatures and solvents not to intermix....Duh. Nice guy though, kept calling me sir over and over again...made me want to polish up the old aluminum walker.

In the defense of the company; Valspar has been around a long time. A leader in Marine and industrial refinishing. I have catalyzed their red oxide primer and color, let cure for 48 hours and then Pressure washed the finish. And I'm talking 6 HP Honda professional pressure washer....Bullet proof. I even painted a roto-tiller and had some over spray on the underside where no prep was done.....it did not come off.

So, FWIW the paint is excellent considering the cost is approximately $8. a QT and $9 per pint of hardener.

Mark

OK Mark, another stupid question. I worked construction for 20 years so the only paints i know about are water based, oil based , and stains.

Why couldn't you mix in colors or paint chips in from a different company, but with maybe the same "type" of paint.
Do you see what i am getting at?

Dur

mark777 · 01-21-2005, 09:22 PM

Durwood,

A friend of mine painted his 69 Nova. Painted it with Dupont Centari. He then used My Glasruit Porsche Clear coat on top (which is a two stage paint). It looked beautiful....for about a week, and then died down to about as shinny as old primer. The urethane reducer used in the clear coat, saturated the Centari underneath and literally burned the pigments in the enamel.

In other words, either by accident or design, most companies paints, when mixed with other brands, eventually fail at one stage or another.

I haven't tried this, but I would imagine that BPS, Rustoleum, or X O Rust paints would probably intermix successfully. Because it is old school technology and not much has changed....except for lead. But the chemicals are contemporary enough to have planned prohibitives that render the finish less than desired when intermixed....Not as shinny, durable or fades in a very short time.

An extreme example would be adding paint thinner (mineral spirits) to acrylic lacquer primer. You end up with red oxide cottage cheese.

Hope this helps, Mark

Durwood · 01-21-2005, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mark777
Durwood,

A friend of mine painted his 69 Nova. Painted it with Dupont Centari. He then used My Glasruit Porsche Clear coat on top (which is a two stage paint). It looked beautiful....for about a week, and then died down to about as shinny as old primer. The urethane reducer used in the clear coat, saturated the Centari underneath and literally burned the pigments in the enamel.

In other words, either by accident or design, most companies paints, when mixed with other brands, eventually fail at one stage or another.

I haven't tried this, but I would imagine that BPS, Rustoleum, or X O Rust paints would probably intermix successfully. Because it is old school technology and not much has changed....except for lead. But the chemicals are contemporary enough to have planned prohibitives that render the finish less than desired when intermixed....Not as shinny, durable or fades in a very short time.

An extreme example would be adding paint thinner (mineral spirits) to acrylic lacquer primer. You end up with red oxide cottage cheese.

Hope this helps, Mark

I'll have to take your word for it Mark. That is all over my head.

Ken N Tx · 01-22-2005, 01:50 AM

Thanks for the compliments guys..But i cannot accept them!!

In my opinion, a can of rustoleum, brush and rattle can donot make a restoration..That was not even my intent as a 2N is not even a redbelly..

The project was done in the barn over the winter to make the tractor a little more presentable when driving around the estate..

Again, thanks for the compliments, but i donot deserve them..

Ingersoll444 · 01-22-2005, 04:23 AM

Mark777,

Well, old OR young thats a list of achevments to be proud of. Thanks for the tips on TSC paint. If I decide to do the whole tractor, I was thinking of breaking out that spry gun agean, and tossing out the ratle cans. Hmmm where DID I put that gun?????

Ken,

Barn job, 2n 9n 8n, top line paint shop. Where ever you did it, and what ever tractor it is it STILL looks great.

Durwood · 01-22-2005, 02:35 PM

Mark, i was in TSC today so i thought i would check out the paint. It looks like they had about all the main tractor colors covered. They had it in gallons also for $22.00. What color do you use to paint the Yanmars? A wesston red i saw looked like it might be close.

Dur

mark777 · 01-22-2005, 03:43 PM

Hey Durwood,

I use the Bright Red for the sheet metal and Dark Blue (shoot forgot the name) for the frame. I also use their black for all the steering, drag link linkage, and of course white wheels....So for the purist of restorations, mine are all wrong. But hey...I didn't like the green frame color, and eventually all my Yanmars turned out red, white and blue.

mark777 · 01-22-2005, 04:24 PM

Ken N tx,

I know what you mean. To the purist your tractor may be all wrong (color, etc.) but I would bet....without ever knowing you, that you have had at least one neighbor, friend or stranger make an offer to buy your tractor.

If I couldn't paint, I'd rather you painted my tractor then Earl Sheib, Miracle auto body, or Maaco.

It's not too often someone says "I'd like my 1939 JD A Model restored to factory original" (OK, just sign a check and I'll call you in 3 weeks with a list of parts).

IMHO, Your work would humble the average tractor guy.

Regards, Mark

Durwood · 01-23-2005, 10:22 PM

Ok, last question on this paint stuff Mark (I think ).

Anyway, have you ever mixed the colors themselves? For instance, i like light blue paint, but i only saw ford blue or dark blue colors at TSC.
What if i took say 3 quarts of ford blue and then mixed it with 1 quart of white. I wonder if it would make a lighter blue or throw it off to some sort of off green or something.

DrBailey · 01-23-2005, 10:37 PM

Durwood , If you mix 3 qrts of dark blue with 1 qrt of white , you will have 1 gal of light powder blue , or could be discribed as Baby Boy blue . Ford Car and Truck had a light blue that was used alot in the 50`s and 60`s . and later , I think. I painted a 61 Ford starliner the color that you would end up with.
Would be a ezy to the eye and ezy covering color.
As Mark explained , try to stay with same name brand materials When mixing colors and other materials.

mark777 · 01-24-2005, 06:03 AM

Durwood,

DrBaileys' recommendation would get the color your after...I think it's that pretty little Hinomoto tractor color, your so found of?

Mark

Durwood · 01-24-2005, 07:15 AM

Yep, I like that Hinomoto blue. I also like that Dodge truck light blue and the new 2005 mustang light blue. It kind of looks like a country blue. So, if i buy a used tractor and repaint it, it is gonna be a light blue color....even if it is a Johne Deere.
Talk about NOT being a purest!

Now i have to go renew my airport badge this morning. That should prettty much waste the whole morning. Then i'll try to start my piece of crap Freightliner and see if i can actually make some money with it this week.

Durwood

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