mark777

For those of you that aren't aware, Yanmar attorney's have filed a trademark violation with Ebay demanding the cancellation of advertising of all Yanmar tractor ads. Either private or dealers, a notice has been sent to Ebay subscribers of "notice of cancellation of your ad"

Several dealers and parts suppliers are in a state of shock as a large percentage of Ebay sales generates after sales service and parts sales.

It would seem that Wallace International, had imported and sold Yanmars quite successfully and Yanmar have filed a cease order stopping him from trademark violations.....Yanmar won. That does explain why Zennoh sticker-ed tractors, imported By Wallace are just rebaged Yanmars to circumvent his loss in court??

I am trying to condense a very long legal version and what has been throughly hashed out on other tractor forums, but the gist is If you own or want to buy a Yanmar tractor and considered Ebay for purchase or sales....It's not happening.

There are still a few on Ebay in Canada but it won't be too long before they are contacted with the same order.

Regards, Mark

Durwood

I have been keeping up on this Mark and it's hard to believe that Yanmar could legally keep you from selling a used tractor. I think E-bay just caved in to Yanmars lawyers when they should have shown a little backbone and fought it and won. Any company now that doesn't want their used products sold on E-bay just might see an easy victory here. This is not a good thing at all for the consumer. Rumor has it that Yanmar is gonna try to stop dealers from selling them alltogether. Have you heard anything about that? This can't happen in a free sociaty where you can't sell your used tractor if you want to.

Durwood

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mark777

Durwood,

I guess it's academic about Yanmar and their being right or wrong if conglomerates like Ebay fold under any pressure.

Their (Japan) tax laws and incentives to discontinue the use of used tractors, assist with financial aid and replace their equipment is what stimulates their economy and also what created tens of thousands of tractors used - many with less than a 1000 original (legitimate) hours. There are, quite literally, 45-50 stock piled yards, with a few thousand tractors, waiting to be containerized and sent to dealers right here in the U.S.

Yanmar can't keep you from buying or selling any tractor....but they can, and have stopped Ebay from allowing you to advertise or purchase via their sites. Yanmar (like Kubota) threatened authorized "Yanmar of America" dealers to stop any research of parts, or providing grey market parts for tractors imported here. The threat was real enough to yank their license and loose their franchise.

Speculation is Yanmar not wanting to assume any legal recourse for owners without ROPS, PTO guards and controls that work opposite their American counterparts. How many '70's U.S. tractors had ROP's?? Weak argument......It may be about their new product line - some already in California grape vineyards...A new looking tracked tractor with the old prov en reliable 3 cylinder guts that everyone has counted on (including John Deere) for the past three decades.

Truth is I don't know what their thinking, but I can see whats coming.

Mark

olds

Mark, Has this censorship of selling Yanmar's on Ebay remained successful? Can you recommend a decent Yanmar tractor for hogging 5-10 acres max with and without a FEL? Thanks Mark
How is the YM3000 3-cylinder diesel? Seems like a nice unit.

mark777

Andy,

I wouldn't say 100% successful. People still use item discriptions like: Yan Mar or Japanese Tractor ect. I have seen grey market tractor ads using YANMAR and not get pulled. I guess they slackened a bit.

The YM3000 and newer model FX28D are good tractors and both 3 cylinder - 33 engine HP.

The YM3110 is a 3 cylinder, 35 engine HP. Drop dead simple and people love them. Especially the "D" models for YM and the "X" models for the F series. Most still available with <1000 original hours.

I don't have anything that big, but if you want prices I can get them or hook you up with an honest dealer...Just let me know.

Mark

lucypinder

It seems to me if you are an individual selling a tractor that was bought legally in the U.S., then you should be able to sell it on ebay. I would make it clear that you are not a dealer on the listing.
ebay tickets selling

svcguy

The "no grey market Yanmar sales/support" in the U.S. is due to pressure on Yanmar by their American dealerships. Yanmar sales tanked when grey market machines started flooding in, there was simply no way a U.S. dealer could compete. Many people think the dealers should have taken the lead on import, but Yanmar Japan would have still stepped in because of loss of new Yanmar sales in North America. It was an easy sell to the courts that "non-compliant" tractors should be restricted because of safety issues. The best thing is to simply disregard their whole effort. No one will win on this issue in court but the big boys. Always, always request parts for your Yanmar tractor with a North American model name. Don't say YM 2000, say YM240. Just find your U.S. equiv and order that way - the tractors are identical for any major component. If you want to sell on Ebay, list it as a Japanese tractor and have a picture of what it is. Attached is a picture of a Pasquali walking tractor with the optional "sulky attachment". This allowed an individual to buy a walking tractor and add the sulky attachment (which curiously allowed for driving the rear wheels for 4WD). Now the farmer had a "walking tractor" with 4WD and steering. By doing so, they avoided the heavy taxes associated with four wheel tractors. There will always be those who try to make the practical impossible and those who are practical regardless.

By the way, how about those Italian wheel weights?

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sem

Wonder what they would do if you listed attachments for at a high price to cover the tractor. Like attachments for sale tractor free not to mention Yanmars name