ErnieS

Copy and paste the link and it seems to work for me.
50:1 Biodiesel came out on top?

Bedford24

Please read the attached - Sea Foam and other Additives had there place when Gasoline was pure - very Educational.

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flagtrax

I also subscribe to a couple motorcycle forums and those guys swear by it as well

Bedford24

We are a Dealership and us as well as our Manufacturers including Kawasaki Warn against any fuel additives - all recomend purchasing only enough fuel to use up in 30 days otherwise run engines out of fuel... see my handout above

john walsh

I agree that both Techron and Seafoam are great products. I have numerous small engines and if one runs rough or has been out of business for a while, I'll dose gas with Seafoam. I use Techron as a preventive maintenance item for any fuel-injected engines ('95 Ford Ranger 3.0 V-6, 214K miles, no injector or fuel pump issues.)

Marcintosh

I'd like to know who wrote the article or where it came from. There doesn't seem to be a title or any authors name anywhere I noticed.
To be certain, I fully agree with all the important parts of the piece but would like to know where it came from, if you know.

thanks,
M.

Gary Alford

Yes Techron is the best ,I have seen the effects on a motors upper half after haveing used techron a week before and it does a great cleaning job. Seafoam is ok but I have had it gum up inside a snowmobile carb that was drained and run out of gas the season before.

Brother-Al

Seafoam isn't designed as a "fuel stability" additive or be used to take the place of gasoline in stored vehicles. It is a cleaning agent. Sta-bil Marine and Startron are two of the better fuel stabilizers out there for "Deathanol" blended fuels.

I'm not sure what you meant by Seafoam guming up your carb on the snowmobile... but did it sit in the fuel bowl, mixed with ethanol blended fuel? If so, it definately would gum up, but not because of the Seafoam... that's one of the lovely attributes of ethanol... and if you are using Seafoam, you should definately burn thru that full tank before you store it.
Also, I have had twol cans of partially-used Seafoam sit forgotten on the back shelf in my garage for over 2 years and did not observed it turning to a gum-like mess or go through any observable changes. I ended up using it to wash a couple of free, but grungy Quadrajets I picked up.

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Bedford24

M, I put this brochure together myself based upon the research I have done speaking with tech's at Castrol, the Petroleum institute and the Virginia Department of Weights and Measures, Department of Environmental Quality, Department of Agriculture and even the EPA, also alot of other research. I used to work Engineering before my job went over seas.. Some of my research answers were found in simple documents such as Technical Service Bulletins ranging from Ford Motor Company on the issues they are having on early convertor failure and those analysis, as well as the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) for all these additives. They are either going to contain MTBE, ISP (Isopryl Alcohol), or Naptha (Kerosene).. and the main statement of each is to NOT blend with Oxydizing Agents of which Ethanol is a STRONG oxidizer after all it is called Formic Acid in Labratories with a PH of 5-7. I also have research conducted by the US Army and Federal Mogol of TRRP (Top Ring Reversal Point) about ethanol blended fuels and moisture in fuel (both gasoline and diesel) which is considered a major contributor of engine failure. I have been working on another brochure for Diesel where the Fast Passed Introduction of these Bio-Fuels without Laboratory controls have allowed the evolution of Bacteria and Fungi that Live, Consume, and Infect Fuel of all types... I have become quite the product support specialist at my dealership and saved customers alot of "replacing" of equipment - it has gotten so bad that STIHL Inc. has introduced their own brand of PURE fuel called Moto Mix because most customers do not understand the a "Limited Warranty" does not cover fuel related issues. Rebuilt alot of automotive engines and my friends head shop (Machine Shop) is busier than he has ever been.

Bedford24

Brother-Al, you are right about the Sea Foam - it had to be old fuel that "Gummed" up the Carb. What we used to call Varnishing is actually called "Parifination" or the process of the Carbon Chains in Fuel beaking down and returning to a state of Parifin Wax which is accelerated by the prescence of Ethanol.. Adding Sea Foam to Gasoline is adding a heavy oil and heavier carbon chains giving more carbon chains means more Parifin...

Funny thing about fuel - only in it's original form without additives is it more stable for longer periods in the abscence of oxygen (Thus Stihl's moto-mix life of 5 years un-opened and 2 years opened.) This is also why your sea foam in it's original state is not a weakened. Fuel can not be stabilized once any additive is poured into it.. ethanol pulls moisture from the air in the tank or when being atomized in the intake process - remember it is made from Plant Celluloise - plants are made from water so ethanol in itself is already 80% water - fuel on the other hand is like diamonds took millions of years in the abscence of oxygen and under compression to form the carbon chains they have - expose it to oxygen without pressure and those chains break down - no chemical can mimic that formation process so fuel can not be stabilized.

Bedford24

Here is the Techron MSDS http://www.jeadauto.com/msds/chevron/techron-concentrate.pdf and the Sea Foam MSDS MSDS Downloads they both are Naptha (K-1 Kerosene and IPA which is the same as ISP meaning Isopryl Alcohol... in differnt strengths - again the MSDS sheets tell on them all.

Brother-Al

Ive used the MSDS for various things I've worked with years ago, but I never thought to look at the MSDS for these kinds of products...

GREAT POST!!!!

PS Thank You!

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