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altontractor 04-26-2010 05:37 PM

John Deere 790 won't start
 
After a weekend of heavy use, I parked the 790 as normal. Went to start it this afternoon for some hay bale work and it won't turn over! I get a buzzer and the lights come up, but no starter movement. Looking online for some troubleshooting tips - otherwise, does anyone have any ideas?:confused:

tractor beam 04-26-2010 07:06 PM

I have a 990, and at about 250 hours, my battery up and died just like that. Plug in a different battery to see if that's the cause. I read that this is a characteristic of the batteries that JD uses in this series. They just up and quit without warning.

Live Oak 04-26-2010 09:17 PM

When was the last time you checked the battery? I agree wth MIAB. Batteries are lucky to last 5 years anymore.

Nitro-Fish 05-02-2010 09:18 PM

Battery terminals are known problems on the 790's, change the battery & change the ends on the cables at the same time, should solve your problem.

tractor beam 05-02-2010 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitro-Fish (Post 109045)
Battery terminals are known problems on the 790's, change the battery & change the ends on the cables at the same time, should solve your problem.

It's true. After about a year, my positive terminal, a cheap piece of sheet metal, had completly disappeared.

tractor beam 05-02-2010 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by altontractor (Post 108706)
After a weekend of heavy use, I parked the 790 as normal. Went to start it this afternoon for some hay bale work and it won't turn over! I get a buzzer and the lights come up, but no starter movement. Looking online for some troubleshooting tips - otherwise, does anyone have any ideas?:confused:

Just curious if you got the 790 to start up yet?

altontractor 05-06-2010 08:09 PM

Thanks for the help, folks. The tractor is up and running again. The battery was indeed dead - it would appear to take a charge, but immediately die after one crank. so, we're back to landscaping and digging and such.

tractor beam 05-06-2010 09:27 PM

Cool! Love those simple fixes!

altontractor 05-09-2010 10:52 AM

Turns out it's not the simple fix I first thought it was. The new battery is now dead. I guess I'm looking at an alternator failure or something else I'm not familiar with. Has anyone had some experience with this?

On further inspection, I may have a starter problem. There is a sharp snapping noise from the starter (or solenoid) when I turn the key. I then have to disconnect the battery for a moment to 'reset' and then I can repeat the problem.

tractor beam 05-10-2010 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by altontractor (Post 109375)
Turns out it's not the simple fix I first thought it was. The new battery is now dead. I guess I'm looking at an alternator failure or something else I'm not familiar with. Has anyone had some experience with this?

On further inspection, I may have a starter problem. There is a sharp snapping noise from the starter (or solenoid) when I turn the key. I then have to disconnect the battery for a moment to 'reset' and then I can repeat the problem.

Do you know if the alternator is putting out? How many hours on the machine?

altontractor 05-10-2010 05:40 PM

The tractor has 1106 hours on it. I am not sure about the alternator at the moment, but I am looking hard at the starter because I charged the battery up - thinking it was dead - and the same behavior occurs. To reiterate - it sounds as if the starter relay trips every time I try to start. Disconnecting the battery and reconnecting seems to reset it.

chrpmaster 05-10-2010 07:20 PM

Could be a short too. wouldn't the relay pop when it shorts out then be ok after reset until you turn the switch again. I would check the switch for loose connections or wires that may have the insulation rubbed off.

Just a WAG but a lot cheaper than a starter.

tractor beam 05-10-2010 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chrpmaster (Post 109462)
Could be a short too. wouldn't the relay pop when it shorts out then be ok after reset until you turn the switch again. I would check the switch for loose connections or wires that may have the insulation rubbed off.

Just a WAG but a lot cheaper than a starter.

I agree totally. Also, could be a sticking solonoid.

altontractor 05-11-2010 06:43 PM

I pulled the starter assembly today and ran a quick bench test. On application of 12V from the battery, the shaft extends but does not turn. The starter assembly doesn't seem to allow separate access to the solenoid to test it individually. Unless I miss my guess here, it seems that the solenoid is fried. Since they're a unit, I'm thinking I should buy a rebuilt starter. Has anyone done any more detail work on the 790 starter?

tractor beam 05-11-2010 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by altontractor (Post 109537)
I pulled the starter assembly today and ran a quick bench test. On application of 12V from the battery, the shaft extends but does not turn. The starter assembly doesn't seem to allow separate access to the solenoid to test it individually. Unless I miss my guess here, it seems that the solenoid is fried. Since they're a unit, I'm thinking I should buy a rebuilt starter. Has anyone done any more detail work on the 790 starter?

Not familiar with that model of starter. I'm certain that someone will sound off here soon. For what it's worth, your battery was soon to fail anyways, if it was the John Deere Strong box brand. I would have a starter tech look at it, to be sure. I have the manual for my 990, the next model up in that series. If the starter is simular, I can check my manual to see if it sheds any light on the subject. Someone sound off it it is simular.

hanger 05-23-2010 06:16 PM

After I purchased my 790 and brought it home on the trailer it would make a loud click when I engaged the starter and everything would shut down.......like the battery was disconnected. Tried to twist the batt connection by hand and they seemed tight, but it turned out to be the problem after putting a wrench to them. Took me an hour to trouble shoot the electrical problem to that. The tractor had new cables and a new batt in it when I bought it so I didn't think there was anything wrong there. Don't give up on the battt terminals being the problem yet.

altontractor 05-23-2010 08:10 PM

Problem Resolved
 
Just today I decided to retrace my steps and begin at the beginning. Very zen of me, yes? I pulled the battery and chopped the terminals off the cables and replaced terminals with shiny new color-coded terminals. The battery tested good. Replaced battery in compartment and reattached cables and presto! She runs. After all the drama, it was a $5.99 fix. It appears that there was sufficient corrosion in the ends of the battery cables to interrupt full current, yet leading to erroneous conclusions with 12V appearing at all critical junctures. Another lesson relearned.

don990 07-27-2014 11:57 AM

10 year old 990 tractor turns over will not start , w/ key on electric fuel pump running I have fuel returning from injection pump to filter housing but no fuel at all out of the injector lines , used test light to check and found no fire on any of the three wires to fuel switch/solenoid on inj. pump, there are no blown fuses in fuse box {none marked fuel switch anyway} only found two relays on the machine do not know if either is for the fuel switch, any suggestion appreciated


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